1 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:12,520 [Music] 2 00:00:20,089 --> 00:00:16,290 this hope radio for the masses headliner 3 00:00:22,609 --> 00:00:20,099 between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:00:25,269 --> 00:00:22,619 has an ops are applying their - found 5 00:00:29,499 --> 00:00:25,279 and is now in the possession of the on a 6 00:00:32,330 --> 00:00:29,509 rig change the game changer I 7 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:32,340 occasionally think how quickly our 8 00:00:39,290 --> 00:00:36,660 differences worldwide would vanish if we 9 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:39,300 were facing an alien threat from outside 10 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:47,770 this is fade to black with your host 11 00:00:57,670 --> 00:00:50,750 Jimmy Church on the game changer radio 12 00:01:02,910 --> 00:01:00,850 I need your help to get to the year 13 00:01:07,090 --> 00:01:02,920 eighty-five 14 00:01:10,270 --> 00:01:07,100 [Music] 15 00:01:11,670 --> 00:01:10,280 - black with Jimmy touch on the game 16 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:11,680 changing Network 17 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:20,170 [Music] 18 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,610 how you do it 19 00:01:50,190 --> 00:01:39,410 good faith black.this spoke radio for 20 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:50,200 the masses how can you do it I'm in a 21 00:01:52,230 --> 00:01:51,040 great mood 22 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:52,240 it's gonna be one of those nights 23 00:01:56,820 --> 00:01:52,810 tonight 24 00:02:03,630 --> 00:01:56,830 [Music] 25 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:08,490 three hundred three hundred days into 26 00:02:15,930 --> 00:02:12,660 the new year just sixty-five days left 27 00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:15,940 unbelievable how do we get here as 28 00:02:20,310 --> 00:02:17,980 always tonight we are live from a bunker 29 00:02:22,650 --> 00:02:20,320 somewhere in the middle of the beautiful 30 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:22,660 downtown Burbank California and I would 31 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:24,220 like to welcome everybody listening all 32 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:27,670 around the world all across the United 33 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:30,880 States hither and thither to and fro 34 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:32,770 back and forth up and down east and west 35 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:36,300 north and south far and near 36 00:02:44,850 --> 00:02:42,730 this is fade to black for KJ Sierra the 37 00:02:47,130 --> 00:02:44,860 game changer Network and K GRA the 38 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:47,140 planet I am your host Jimmy Church what 39 00:02:52,530 --> 00:02:50,410 is cracking everybody how you doing how 40 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:52,540 you doing I'm looking at these phone 41 00:02:58,140 --> 00:02:55,920 lines you know they just filled up I 42 00:03:00,930 --> 00:02:58,150 don't even know if I'm taking calls 43 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:00,940 tonight living in here me right now 44 00:03:08,370 --> 00:03:06,250 don't even bother stop I'm not gonna go 45 00:03:13,670 --> 00:03:08,380 and hang up on everybody just just stop 46 00:03:16,650 --> 00:03:13,680 oh man that was just a nutty flood okay 47 00:03:18,180 --> 00:03:16,660 right I just mentioned tonight Nick 48 00:03:21,530 --> 00:03:18,190 Redfern is here we're gonna talk about 49 00:03:24,690 --> 00:03:21,540 his new book on abductions called 50 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:24,700 top-secret alien abduction files there 51 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:26,530 it is holding it up what the government 52 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:28,510 doesn't want you to know I'm holding it 53 00:03:33,150 --> 00:03:31,120 up for the camera look at that it's a 54 00:03:35,009 --> 00:03:33,160 great book too I'm just talking to Nick 55 00:03:38,340 --> 00:03:35,019 before the show he writes a lot of books 56 00:03:40,949 --> 00:03:38,350 you know and and it's his gig he's a 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:40,959 great author but this one is a great one 58 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:43,810 and I recommend it to everybody the 59 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:45,510 links are over at Jimmy Church radio.com 60 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:47,890 of course you can go to Amazon too as 61 00:03:53,580 --> 00:03:50,640 well and everything is right there 62 00:03:55,259 --> 00:03:53,590 top-secret alien abduction files what 63 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:55,269 the government doesn't want you to know 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:03:57,489 what's great about the book we talking 65 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:00,450 to Nick about this tonight there are 66 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:03,010 quite a few and you would think that I 67 00:04:08,090 --> 00:04:06,310 know about every abduction case ever in 68 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:08,100 the history of of everything and 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:10,630 obviously after reading this book I was 70 00:04:16,379 --> 00:04:13,810 wrong so there's that part and there's 71 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:16,389 some really great insight in the book 72 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:19,090 that I didn't I'm gonna be straight I 73 00:04:24,059 --> 00:04:21,280 didn't expect from Nick it's really 74 00:04:26,909 --> 00:04:24,069 really really well done in that you know 75 00:04:31,260 --> 00:04:26,919 when I think of Nick I think of you know 76 00:04:32,969 --> 00:04:31,270 crypto stuff for men in black black-eyed 77 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:32,979 children-- you know just it just things 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:36,460 and and but but this is a bit different 79 00:04:39,739 --> 00:04:37,650 you know I think a Bigfoot in 80 00:04:42,869 --> 00:04:39,749 cryptozoology and stuff like that and 81 00:04:46,050 --> 00:04:42,879 nobody says chupacabra better than Nick 82 00:04:47,909 --> 00:04:46,060 Redfern right well the book is good so 83 00:04:51,089 --> 00:04:47,919 we'll be discussing this all night and 84 00:04:54,809 --> 00:04:51,099 tomorrow night Fator night open lines 85 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:54,819 all night long okay 86 00:05:00,029 --> 00:04:56,710 so there you go it's been a busy week 87 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:00,039 here lots of stuff going down and I know 88 00:05:06,209 --> 00:05:01,930 that the phone lines are gonna be crazy 89 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:06,219 tomorrow night so there you go and where 90 00:05:10,769 --> 00:05:08,860 did we go from it was such a crazy news 91 00:05:12,779 --> 00:05:10,779 day I'm gonna get to all of that in just 92 00:05:15,209 --> 00:05:12,789 a second and there's a bunch of stuff 93 00:05:16,739 --> 00:05:15,219 that you may not know about that I'm 94 00:05:18,450 --> 00:05:16,749 going to discuss here in just a minute 95 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:18,460 and we will pick up everything tomorrow 96 00:05:23,550 --> 00:05:20,710 nighttime fade to black too as well but 97 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:23,560 fate or night of course there is on 98 00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:25,960 stellar and that is the social media 99 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:28,270 platform where I hang out on stellar 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:31,210 calm of course Twitter you can follow me 101 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:34,330 there at Jay Church radio Facebook is is 102 00:05:37,709 --> 00:05:36,580 whatever but you know I still kind of 103 00:05:41,999 --> 00:05:37,719 hang out there once in a while and 104 00:05:43,709 --> 00:05:42,009 YouTube and you can subscribe to our 105 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:43,719 YouTube channel and the links are over 106 00:05:48,329 --> 00:05:46,449 at Jimmy Church radio calm and what we 107 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:48,339 basically do on YouTube well we 108 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:50,529 broadcast there live and we take the 109 00:05:55,139 --> 00:05:52,360 bunker cam and take it over to there and 110 00:05:57,029 --> 00:05:55,149 bring the bunker cam back from YouTube 111 00:06:00,839 --> 00:05:57,039 and all of that so we do that and then 112 00:06:03,719 --> 00:06:00,849 of course we you know post our archives 113 00:06:06,659 --> 00:06:03,729 there for the show and what youtube 114 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:06,669 started out with for us and well it's 115 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:08,830 still the same thing today hasn't 116 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:13,930 changed YouTube I you know so many years 117 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:17,520 ago even before 118 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,080 fade to black when we were doing sports 119 00:06:26,269 --> 00:06:22,960 what we did with YouTube was just 120 00:06:30,030 --> 00:06:26,279 treated as an archive right so there 121 00:06:32,010 --> 00:06:30,040 would be an archive of everything from 122 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:32,020 from the beginning and it would always 123 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:35,260 be there and and and stuff and that's 124 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:37,450 the way that we treat it it's just an 125 00:06:45,030 --> 00:06:42,100 archive it's unedited it's easy we pull 126 00:06:47,580 --> 00:06:45,040 the files over upload you know whatever 127 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:47,590 show title done and that's what YouTube 128 00:06:53,970 --> 00:06:50,590 is there for but what YouTube is evolved 129 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:53,980 into since then for the rest of the 130 00:07:01,140 --> 00:06:57,190 world is it's an entertainment platform 131 00:07:06,090 --> 00:07:01,150 now and so there are people out there by 132 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:06,100 the billions that get all of their 133 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:07,630 sources for everything their 134 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:09,810 entertainment their movies their 135 00:07:16,410 --> 00:07:14,260 television their news it I they just 136 00:07:18,330 --> 00:07:16,420 they cruise YouTube all day long that's 137 00:07:21,330 --> 00:07:18,340 what they do it's it's it's a YouTube 138 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:21,340 world so that's kind of what has 139 00:07:27,330 --> 00:07:24,510 happened to fade to black where I'm 140 00:07:30,090 --> 00:07:27,340 assuming because I don't I don't do it 141 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:30,100 but I'm assuming that people I'd get 142 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:32,410 there fade to black fix from YouTube and 143 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:35,590 it may be from live or it may be you 144 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:37,840 know from the archives but that's what 145 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:39,250 it's turned into so you can go and 146 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:40,690 subscribe if that's what you do if 147 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:42,970 you're in a YouTube world subscribe to 148 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:45,370 our Channel right there in the links 149 00:07:48,570 --> 00:07:46,810 rich immaturity okama if you're 150 00:07:51,740 --> 00:07:48,580 listening live right now well go 151 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:51,750 subscribe to the channel okay all right 152 00:08:01,260 --> 00:07:56,770 at a church radio is Twitter hashtag F 153 00:08:06,180 --> 00:08:01,270 to be very important hashtag F to B is 154 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:06,190 the sandbox now another note for those 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:07,870 of you out there that are either new or 156 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:09,610 wondering what I'm talking about when I 157 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:13,990 say hashtag F to be the sandbox it has 158 00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:16,810 turned into what the sandbox is turn 159 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:19,960 into and what that hashtag has turned 160 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:23,050 into that you have done the audience has 161 00:08:27,710 --> 00:08:25,210 done over the years hashtag if to be 162 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:27,720 that is the source of information now 163 00:08:33,630 --> 00:08:31,210 everybody tweets to hash tag F to be 164 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:33,640 you've got breaking news yeah you want 165 00:08:39,540 --> 00:08:36,580 something to be seen you know if you 166 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:39,550 have you know check this out it's like 167 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:42,890 this and I'm not exaggerating well 168 00:08:50,410 --> 00:08:48,320 say you follow a hundred people on 169 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:50,420 Twitter and you've got a hundred 170 00:08:58,090 --> 00:08:54,290 followers on Twitter or you've got 200 171 00:09:01,300 --> 00:08:58,100 or you've got a thousand you know 5,000 172 00:09:05,069 --> 00:09:01,310 right whatever it is whatever that 173 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:05,079 number is but you want to be seen 174 00:09:11,290 --> 00:09:08,480 hashtag F to be whatever that tweet is 175 00:09:13,389 --> 00:09:11,300 you got 25 followers you've got a 176 00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:13,399 hundred you want to get exposed to 177 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:17,630 literally tens of thousands in seconds 178 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:21,290 hashtag f2b that's what you do you know 179 00:09:26,769 --> 00:09:25,010 if you think you're hot hot stuff if 180 00:09:29,259 --> 00:09:26,779 you've got your five thousand followers 181 00:09:34,329 --> 00:09:29,269 and you think you're about something 182 00:09:37,389 --> 00:09:34,339 you're gonna use hashtag F to be do and 183 00:09:39,730 --> 00:09:37,399 you should and you the audience have 184 00:09:44,319 --> 00:09:39,740 done that and I thank you hashtag F to 185 00:09:46,180 --> 00:09:44,329 be is crazy huge and and I thank you for 186 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:46,190 that it wasn't always that way 187 00:09:51,699 --> 00:09:49,160 and everything about the show I don't 188 00:09:53,769 --> 00:09:51,709 you know what I don't do this often I 189 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:53,779 don't do it often enough 190 00:09:59,710 --> 00:09:56,630 I got a thank you I got to thank this 191 00:10:01,840 --> 00:09:59,720 audience right yeah like this Jimmy 192 00:10:04,030 --> 00:10:01,850 hashtag you have to be exactly like that 193 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:04,040 and that's gonna get a retweet see 194 00:10:07,630 --> 00:10:05,240 that'll get a retweet 195 00:10:09,730 --> 00:10:07,640 right there let's let's retweet that 196 00:10:11,470 --> 00:10:09,740 Franky four fingers that was cool 197 00:10:14,220 --> 00:10:11,480 that's somebody that's paying attention 198 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:14,230 but I don't thank you guys enough 199 00:10:24,220 --> 00:10:19,850 Twitter this show the sandbox the chat 200 00:10:26,380 --> 00:10:24,230 rooms everything faith YouTube 201 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:26,390 everything fade to black is because of 202 00:10:32,199 --> 00:10:28,730 you I don't thank you enough you know 203 00:10:35,019 --> 00:10:32,209 and you you built the sandbox you built 204 00:10:36,850 --> 00:10:35,029 our Twitter verse you did this you did 205 00:10:40,090 --> 00:10:36,860 everything that's over on YouTube you 206 00:10:42,819 --> 00:10:40,100 did the Spreaker these these numbers you 207 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:42,829 know I I haven't been to and I I'll 208 00:10:47,889 --> 00:10:44,930 admit this I don't know how many 209 00:10:50,319 --> 00:10:47,899 subscribers we have on Twitter I don't 210 00:10:52,329 --> 00:10:50,329 know how many subscribers there are on 211 00:10:54,579 --> 00:10:52,339 our Facebook page 212 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:54,589 I don't know or you call those likes I 213 00:11:02,280 --> 00:10:55,450 don't know 214 00:11:05,150 --> 00:11:02,290 tuned in you know I race over at kg RA 215 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:05,160 who runs you know the most amazing 216 00:11:10,290 --> 00:11:07,930 network on all of the Internet right the 217 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:10,300 the number one I don't know how many 218 00:11:14,310 --> 00:11:12,970 people are listening I don't ask you 219 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:14,320 know I don't know I don't know how many 220 00:11:20,670 --> 00:11:17,620 people do things over on an I heart 221 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:20,680 radio I don't I don't go and look up 222 00:11:25,110 --> 00:11:22,960 these numbers I don't know what they are 223 00:11:30,030 --> 00:11:25,120 and I I can tell you what my Twitter is 224 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:30,040 my twitter is us click on home Twitter I 225 00:11:39,470 --> 00:11:35,790 have twenty six thousand point two 226 00:11:42,630 --> 00:11:39,480 followers that's pretty crazy to me 227 00:11:46,350 --> 00:11:42,640 that's pretty crazy and we have done all 228 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:46,360 of this that's a pretty crazy number six 229 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:50,080 thousand we've done all of this because 230 00:11:54,570 --> 00:11:51,850 of you because we don't advertise we 231 00:11:58,830 --> 00:11:54,580 don't have you know some big corporate 232 00:11:59,640 --> 00:11:58,840 angel donor or selling stock you know we 233 00:12:02,010 --> 00:11:59,650 don't do that 234 00:12:04,530 --> 00:12:02,020 you know and it's all done because of 235 00:12:07,830 --> 00:12:04,540 you all of it everything is word of 236 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:07,840 mouth on this show completely organic so 237 00:12:11,070 --> 00:12:09,790 I don't do it enough so I just let me 238 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:11,080 let me do it now I'm feeling all warm 239 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:13,360 and fuzzy thank you okay 240 00:12:19,950 --> 00:12:17,380 to all of you you can also email and say 241 00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:19,960 thank you to me at Jimmy Church radio 242 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:22,720 calm how's that all right let's get to 243 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:25,630 this crazy crazy ass breaking news today 244 00:12:34,350 --> 00:12:31,630 it just freaks me out today five more 245 00:12:37,170 --> 00:12:34,360 bombs arrived in the mail to Barack 246 00:12:41,340 --> 00:12:37,180 Obama in Washington DC Hillary Clinton 247 00:12:45,690 --> 00:12:41,350 in Chappaqua New York John Brennan and 248 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:45,700 CNN in New York City Maxine Waters in 249 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:48,850 Capitol Heights Maryland and Eric Holder 250 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:52,270 in Sunrise Florida the Wasserman 251 00:12:59,220 --> 00:12:56,410 Schultz's office that bomb was a piece 252 00:13:03,060 --> 00:12:59,230 of mail that was returned to the return 253 00:13:05,580 --> 00:13:03,070 address which was Wasserman's it's a 254 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:05,590 that's that's a crazy news day I don't I 255 00:13:08,770 --> 00:13:07,290 don't like this I don't like it at all 256 00:13:11,530 --> 00:13:08,780 and 257 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:11,540 no reason to like it but I'm saying this 258 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:14,080 kind of news day sucks 259 00:13:20,230 --> 00:13:17,650 all of the envelopes listed 260 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:20,240 representative Debbie wasserman-schultz 261 00:13:26,020 --> 00:13:22,850 as the return address I think that has 262 00:13:28,180 --> 00:13:26,030 been confirmed I could be wrong but that 263 00:13:31,180 --> 00:13:28,190 is the best that we can do with that 264 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:31,190 none of the explosives detonated and 265 00:13:37,390 --> 00:13:34,790 nobody was hurt the pipe bombs all 266 00:13:40,180 --> 00:13:37,400 arrived in envelopes and had type 267 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:40,190 letters on them for the names and 268 00:13:47,650 --> 00:13:44,110 addresses and six stamps that bore no 269 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:47,660 cancellation mark on it so what would 270 00:13:54,990 --> 00:13:50,210 that indicate I've indicates that they 271 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:55,000 were hand-delivered by somebody to have 272 00:14:02,290 --> 00:13:57,050 where the bombs are made by one 273 00:14:08,290 --> 00:14:02,300 individual probably I don't know but to 274 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:08,300 have Capitol Heights Maryland write New 275 00:14:14,650 --> 00:14:12,280 York City Chappaqua New York Washington 276 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:14,660 DC and they have them all arrive at the 277 00:14:20,620 --> 00:14:17,450 same time well then and were they 278 00:14:24,490 --> 00:14:20,630 through the mail or not well the the the 279 00:14:27,340 --> 00:14:24,500 stamps weren't stamped right so I don't 280 00:14:31,210 --> 00:14:27,350 know this is a very strange thing to to 281 00:14:34,510 --> 00:14:31,220 unwind and then the bomb that was 282 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:34,520 returned mail i down into Florida at 283 00:14:37,930 --> 00:14:36,470 Wasserman Schultz's office would 284 00:14:40,510 --> 00:14:37,940 indicate that that went through the mail 285 00:14:45,490 --> 00:14:40,520 system very trippy and that nothing 286 00:14:47,830 --> 00:14:45,500 exploded so I mean was there there was 287 00:14:50,740 --> 00:14:47,840 also reports on this is going into today 288 00:14:52,570 --> 00:14:50,750 we'll find out a you know more and you 289 00:14:58,330 --> 00:14:52,580 know tomorrow and days and weeks ahead 290 00:15:00,700 --> 00:14:58,340 but the bombs didn't go off and if that 291 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:00,710 was done through returned mail down to 292 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:03,890 Florida what does that say you know it's 293 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:06,350 there all the handling and stuff so I 294 00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:09,920 don't know it's a it's a very very very 295 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:14,390 very strange situation now I'm gonna 296 00:15:20,350 --> 00:15:17,350 make one comment and it's a loose one 297 00:15:22,180 --> 00:15:20,360 okay it's just a loose comment which is 298 00:15:25,660 --> 00:15:22,190 this 299 00:15:28,809 --> 00:15:25,670 we're talking about pipe bombs here okay 300 00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:28,819 and I went through Unabomber comes to 301 00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:31,100 mind you know we had all those bombs 302 00:15:35,740 --> 00:15:33,199 that were in Austin Texas last year too 303 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:35,750 as well but when you are earlier this 304 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:38,170 year was it last year earlier this year 305 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:40,730 when you go through stuff like that and 306 00:15:45,009 --> 00:15:42,350 you go through that kind of trauma and 307 00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:45,019 you know that kind of terrorism it's 308 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:50,720 it's an uncomfortable feeling and to see 309 00:15:57,639 --> 00:15:53,240 means today and jokes being cracked 310 00:16:00,699 --> 00:15:57,649 about this oh man you know I just think 311 00:16:03,579 --> 00:16:00,709 that's wrong and it just shows you how 312 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:03,589 divided this country is where suddenly 313 00:16:12,999 --> 00:16:08,480 this is a funny thing like it's a joke 314 00:16:15,999 --> 00:16:13,009 it's not a joke yeah see you know Dan 315 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:16,009 Betts just tweeted bombs are a joke are 316 00:16:21,610 --> 00:16:19,490 they I know I don't even I don't even 317 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:21,620 know what that means you know and I 318 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:24,649 don't I don't find it funny and there 319 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:27,610 you go okay so I don't don't post a meme 320 00:16:33,819 --> 00:16:30,680 don't don't don't don't crack any funny 321 00:16:37,389 --> 00:16:33,829 stuff at this and and and and send it to 322 00:16:41,019 --> 00:16:37,399 me you do you're blocked 323 00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:41,029 alright moving on that was crazy but 324 00:16:46,749 --> 00:16:44,480 also today well this was yesterday the 325 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:46,759 news is breaking today the growing 326 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:49,370 uncertainty about how San Francisco 327 00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:51,889 Superior Court judge Suzanne Suzanne 328 00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:55,569 Ramos Bolanos would rule in the buyer 329 00:17:02,050 --> 00:16:58,880 appeal of the Monsanto cancer verdict 330 00:17:05,649 --> 00:17:02,060 was resolved yesterday morning as the 331 00:17:08,829 --> 00:17:05,659 judge upheld the jury's decision that 332 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:08,839 the glyphosate based weed killer roundup 333 00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:12,079 sold by Monsanto caused a California 334 00:17:17,919 --> 00:17:13,959 man's terminal cancer and that Monsanto 335 00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:17,929 intentionally hid its dangers check this 336 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:21,199 the judge decided to reduce the punitive 337 00:17:27,460 --> 00:17:24,400 damage award from the original total of 338 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:27,470 289 million dollars following the 339 00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:29,929 verdict that was reached earlier this 340 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:33,919 summer down to seventy eight point five 341 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:35,910 million dollars 342 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:43,260 now Monsanto's liability could reach 800 343 00:17:51,450 --> 00:17:48,090 billion dollars the original Bayer 344 00:17:56,430 --> 00:17:51,460 Monsanto buyout and we all remember this 345 00:17:58,590 --> 00:17:56,440 was fifty seven billion dollars now the 346 00:18:02,250 --> 00:17:58,600 liability is eight that sounds like a 347 00:18:05,820 --> 00:18:02,260 pretty bad investment he'd hundred 348 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:05,830 billion dollars clearly Monsanto no 349 00:18:12,990 --> 00:18:09,640 longer looks like an asset to buyer and 350 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:13,000 its stockholders that was a bad 351 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:14,950 investment decision of course the stock 352 00:18:23,250 --> 00:18:19,120 tanked today and also buyer's market cap 353 00:18:25,860 --> 00:18:23,260 shrunk today by fifty seven billion 354 00:18:29,420 --> 00:18:25,870 dollars I believe those are the numbers 355 00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:29,430 I looked at the charts and it is 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our sponsors 370 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:16,750 by clicking on their banners at Jimmy 371 00:19:27,660 --> 00:19:21,750 Church radio.com happy birthday to today 372 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:27,670 Kevin Kline Kevin Kline is 71 years old 373 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:31,750 great actor no doubt very funny one of 374 00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:34,270 the funniest he was great in a Prairie 375 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:35,700 Home Companion 376 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:41,020 soap dish absolute classic soap dish to 377 00:19:49,860 --> 00:19:45,370 me it is up there with Caddyshack Blues 378 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:49,870 Brothers right soap dish it's right up 379 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:53,320 French kiss that's a great movie 380 00:19:59,460 --> 00:19:57,370 French kiss love story weaved into a 381 00:20:01,950 --> 00:19:59,470 hilarious comedy I don't know if it's 382 00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:01,960 hilarious comedy that was disguised as a 383 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:04,300 love story or the opposite french kiss 384 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:06,070 is a great movie how about a Fish Called 385 00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:11,770 Wanda right but now Kevin Klein is 386 00:20:19,410 --> 00:20:15,280 better known as the husband of Phoebe 387 00:20:21,570 --> 00:20:19,420 Cates that's right I said it nobody 388 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:21,580 wants to say it out loud I'll say it I 389 00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:28,960 just did on this day in history 2003 the 390 00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:31,320 supersonic Concorde makes its last 391 00:20:36,540 --> 00:20:34,840 commercial passenger flight traveling at 392 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:36,550 twice the speed of sound from New York 393 00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:38,020 City's John F Kennedy International 394 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:42,520 Airport to London's Heathrow and on that 395 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:46,840 flight I believe Joan Collins there's a 396 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:48,280 bunch of celebrities I don't know why I 397 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:50,980 remember Joan Collins but Joan Collins 398 00:20:57,570 --> 00:20:55,510 Fader fact I love it I love it when we 399 00:21:00,990 --> 00:20:57,580 get to this point in the show fader fact 400 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:01,000 China owns all of the pandas in the 401 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:03,930 world and I think we knew that right but 402 00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:09,610 they rent them out for $1,000,000 a year 403 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:13,660 and the lease agreement requires that 404 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:17,050 any Cubs born to be returned to China 405 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:24,970 and does not include postage and that is 406 00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:27,310 your fate or fact is this thing on is 407 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:29,320 this thing working 408 00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:32,020 is that thing working all right tonight 409 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:34,030 Nick Redfern is here we're gonna be 410 00:21:38,820 --> 00:21:36,610 talking about his new book top-secret 411 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:38,830 alien abduction files what the 412 00:21:41,850 --> 00:21:40,510 government doesn't want you to know 413 00:21:43,910 --> 00:21:41,860 there it is 414 00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:43,920 that's the cover the book is great 415 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:46,600 discussing that tonight tomorrow night's 416 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:48,370 another Fator night open lines all night 417 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:50,610 long now here we go 418 00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,930 this is where you need is just sit down 419 00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:54,640 and listen well you know we're not 420 00:22:00,570 --> 00:21:57,910 pretty much I pretty much say that every 421 00:22:03,050 --> 00:22:00,580 single night when I get to my rant but 422 00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,060 listen to this 423 00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:04,720 especially you know we've been talking 424 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:06,880 about the secret space program the SSP 425 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,490 you know all week on this show I've been 426 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:12,400 talking about it for years but it's been 427 00:22:19,050 --> 00:22:14,290 the topic of conversation right well 428 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:19,060 listen to me this is where everybody out 429 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:23,320 there everybody needs to just to sit and 430 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,220 listen because during the fourth public 431 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:29,440 meeting of the National Space Council 432 00:22:36,330 --> 00:22:33,780 vice president and chairman Mike Pence 433 00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:36,340 described the path forward needed to 434 00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:38,440 develop a sixth branch of the military 435 00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:43,390 known as the u.s. space force pence gave 436 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:45,400 the opening remarks at the meeting 437 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:48,720 yesterday which was held at the National 438 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,130 Defense University in Washington DC now 439 00:23:02,280 --> 00:22:56,640 Pence emphasized at the meeting that 440 00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:02,290 space is a war fighting domain that's 441 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:05,590 right now I'm going to quote open quote 442 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:08,610 right now from our vice president pence 443 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:12,610 he said and I quote for decades one 444 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:14,620 independent study after another has 445 00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,410 called for reforms to the current 446 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:18,880 organizational structure of our national 447 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:21,850 space capabilities this lack of a 448 00:23:26,430 --> 00:23:23,530 centralized leadership and 449 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:26,440 accountability we believe poses a clear 450 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:29,350 and present threat to our capacity to 451 00:23:37,530 --> 00:23:33,600 advance our national security in space 452 00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:37,540 he continued I believe the time has come 453 00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:40,390 to stop studying the problem and start 454 00:23:46,890 --> 00:23:43,660 fixing it the United States space Force 455 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:46,900 we believe is central to the solution 456 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:51,040 that American needs end quote pence 457 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:53,710 describes six recommendations the 458 00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:55,390 council planned to send to the president 459 00:24:01,290 --> 00:23:59,440 Donald Trump right listen to this 460 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:01,300 invited updates on the status of the 461 00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:03,610 council's previous projects and asked 462 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:06,760 for testimony from three experts who 463 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:10,390 supported the country's need for a space 464 00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:14,920 force here are the six recommendations 465 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:15,670 for the 466 00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:20,340 council get your pen out write this down 467 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:25,120 number one create a new unified US Space 468 00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:27,610 Command to establish a chain of command 469 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:30,760 for space force operations and determine 470 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:34,150 the doctrine tactics and procedures for 471 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:38,730 space war fighting in the 21st century 472 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:43,120 number two have the Secretary of Defense 473 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:46,030 create a joint space development agency 474 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:48,910 to cut through bureaucracy and make 475 00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:52,090 space technology quickly available when 476 00:24:59,550 --> 00:24:56,640 the space force needs it number three 477 00:25:02,700 --> 00:24:59,560 work with the National Security Council 478 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:02,710 to conduct a comprehensive review of the 479 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:06,010 current interagency authorities to make 480 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:10,690 sure war fighters can react flexibly to 481 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:15,480 stop threats in space 482 00:25:24,770 --> 00:25:20,470 number four direct the creation of a 483 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:24,780 legislative proposal for the space force 484 00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:30,130 number five address the 2020 budget 485 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:33,270 which will allow for the space forces 486 00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,430 creation and number six strengthen the 487 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:41,200 relationship between the intelligence 488 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:47,590 community and the space force how do you 489 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:54,370 like that now I I and I broke this down 490 00:26:02,490 --> 00:25:59,290 I mean I I read through this and I 491 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,500 looked and and deciphered and read 492 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:04,480 between the lines of each one of these 493 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:08,290 points it's almost worth repeating and 494 00:26:13,950 --> 00:26:10,810 especially when you look at number one 495 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:13,960 or number two and then you get to three 496 00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:15,490 then you get to four then you get to 497 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:27,000 number one create a new unified view a 498 00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:29,530 space command to establish a chain of 499 00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:31,660 man for space force operations and 500 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:33,820 determine the doctrine tactics and 501 00:26:45,090 --> 00:26:41,970 procedures for space war yeah 502 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:45,100 number two have the Secretary of Defense 503 00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:47,710 create a joint space development agency 504 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:49,480 to cut through the bureaucracy and make 505 00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:51,700 space technology quickly available when 506 00:27:00,150 --> 00:26:54,460 the space force needs it you've got to 507 00:27:02,340 --> 00:27:00,160 just ask us of what right number three 508 00:27:04,530 --> 00:27:02,350 work with the National Security Council 509 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:04,540 to conduct a comprehensive review of the 510 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:06,970 current interagency authorities to make 511 00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:10,180 sure war fighters can react flexibly to 512 00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:16,150 stop threats to security in space this 513 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:20,470 is Vice President Mike Pence laying out 514 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:23,410 the six points and recommendations for 515 00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:28,270 the president now I gotta tell you and 516 00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:30,340 I'm and I'm reading this is what went 517 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:35,550 through my mind today the president 518 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:38,890 whoever he may be it happens to be this 519 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:39,790 time around 520 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:43,060 president Trump whoever he is opens that 521 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:44,590 you know just sits down you know 522 00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:46,750 national security briefing he's in the 523 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:48,940 Oval Office he opens up the folder and 524 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:54,940 he's looking at these six points he 525 00:28:00,540 --> 00:27:56,890 obviously knows what it's about 526 00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:00,550 and there's one side of it there's one 527 00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,980 side of it that says okay well okay 528 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:04,960 we've got our forces on the ground we've 529 00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:07,650 got GPS systems we've got military 530 00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:10,750 communications we've got all of the 531 00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:13,240 terrain imaging things that are going on 532 00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:14,860 up there we've got all of the NSA 533 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:16,150 satellites we've got all we got to 534 00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,250 protect those assets right okay all 535 00:28:28,910 --> 00:28:21,520 right there there's that part of it and 536 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:28,920 then there's the other part war in space 537 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:32,470 that is very interesting and that 538 00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,050 actually happened yesterday in the 539 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:37,360 United States of America in Washington 540 00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:40,630 DC you need to chew on that think about 541 00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:42,400 that we'll talk about it tomorrow night 542 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:43,270 on the show 543 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:45,490 because it'll be open lines all night 544 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:49,270 long tonight it's Nick Redfern and we 545 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:50,740 are talking about his new book 546 00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,530 top-secret alien abduction files what 547 00:28:59,790 --> 00:28:55,380 the government doesn't want you to know 548 00:29:01,950 --> 00:28:59,800 that includes the space force our meals 549 00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:01,960 Jimmy Church follow me on Twitter at J 550 00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,630 Church radio I guess tonight Nick 551 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:07,360 Redfern on the GameChanger network 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00:34:12,790 your host Jimmy Church you can follow me 639 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:16,599 on twitter @ JT radio join the 640 00:34:21,419 --> 00:34:18,520 conversation there are going to be 641 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:21,429 literally thousands of tweets tonight in 642 00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:25,030 the sandbox hashtag f2b it's been nuts 643 00:34:32,129 --> 00:34:29,830 all day heating up now too as well Nick 644 00:34:34,169 --> 00:34:32,139 Redfern tonight is our guest tomorrow 645 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:34,179 night will be open lines all night long 646 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:36,250 it is Fator night so get ready for that 647 00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:39,490 lots to talk about but tonight we're 648 00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:41,020 gonna be talking about Nick's new book 649 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:44,080 alien a top-secret alien abduction files 650 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:45,790 what the government doesn't want you to 651 00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:47,230 know I'm holding it up for the cameras 652 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:49,990 right there Nick works full-time as an 653 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:51,730 author he's a lecturer he's a journalist 654 00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:54,700 he writes about all that unsolved 655 00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,220 mystery stuff including Bigfoot UFOs 656 00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,580 Loch Ness monster alien encounters 657 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:02,320 conspiracies his books include for 658 00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:04,780 nobody's eyes only monster files the 659 00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,300 worlds of weirdest places the pyramids 660 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:10,000 and the Pentagon keep out the real men 661 00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:11,770 of black love that book the NASA 662 00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:14,920 conspiracies contactees and memoirs of a 663 00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:17,320 monster hunter he writes for UFO 664 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:19,660 magazine and mysterious universe he has 665 00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:21,490 appeared on numerous television shows 666 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:24,520 including Fox News the History Channel's 667 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:26,410 ancient aliens Monster quest 668 00:35:32,970 --> 00:35:30,310 UFO Hunters Wright vh1's legend hunters 669 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:32,980 National Geographic channel's the truth 670 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:36,550 about UFOs and para natural and BBC's 671 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:39,910 out-of-this-world mb's MSNBC's countdown 672 00:35:44,070 --> 00:35:42,730 and sci-fi channels proof-positive and 673 00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,080 tonight we're going to talk about this 674 00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:46,480 new book alien abduction files I'd like 675 00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:47,950 to welcome back to fade to black the one 676 00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:50,440 and only Nick Redfern Nick how are you 677 00:36:00,960 --> 00:35:57,040 man I've lost Nick right as I said the 678 00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:00,970 okay let me mute let me you know Nick 679 00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:03,089 and I were talking before the show about 680 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:07,390 his phone issues and Nick there you are 681 00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:11,830 how are you man we were just talking 682 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:14,080 about phone issues and look BAM just 683 00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:16,410 like that 684 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:19,360 typical yes don't blame it on the man in 685 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:22,390 black let's do that hey Nick welcome 686 00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,210 back to the show thanks man 687 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:27,280 the first question out of the gate which 688 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:29,980 just popped up on Twitter Jimmy got ass 689 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:31,960 Nick what rock-and-roll shirt he's 690 00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:36,340 wearing right now what I'm wearing a 691 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:39,070 crime spree shirt this you gotta love it 692 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:44,260 man you gotta like literally hundreds of 693 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:47,770 things yeah this week this week fender 694 00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:49,510 you know Fender guitars right an 695 00:36:55,530 --> 00:36:52,960 offender hooked me up with a really cool 696 00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:55,540 birthday present last week two weeks ago 697 00:37:02,730 --> 00:36:59,440 and but they also sent me a box full of 698 00:37:03,810 --> 00:37:02,740 Fender Stratocaster t-shirts I mean how 699 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:03,820 cool is that 700 00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:06,100 yeah sorry yeah so I've been sporting 701 00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:09,460 the Fender Strat shirts on all week now 702 00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:11,500 Nick this is what I want to do first 703 00:37:20,850 --> 00:37:18,190 before we get to the book which is I 704 00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:20,860 want to remind you you may remember this 705 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:23,740 you do so many conferences and and I can 706 00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:26,920 respect that but many years ago you were 707 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:30,520 on a panel with me which you've done a 708 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:33,310 few but there was with me but there was 709 00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:35,650 one panel where you said something very 710 00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:37,750 interesting that I've never forgotten 711 00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:40,030 Nick and it was this we were talking 712 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,340 about how you know et craft get to earth 713 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:48,220 right and you said and we had so many 714 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:50,920 people on the panel I think I think you 715 00:37:54,330 --> 00:37:53,020 were sitting next to Stanton Friedman 716 00:37:57,810 --> 00:37:54,340 you know and everybody had their own 717 00:38:00,750 --> 00:37:57,820 opinions you went completely off the 718 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:00,760 charts with your comment which was man 719 00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:04,210 you know I think they're just already 720 00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:06,790 here I think that they are there could 721 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:09,460 be just a base on the moon or another 722 00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:11,560 planet and they're not traveling across 723 00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:14,830 the galaxy they're just they're doing a 724 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:17,400 drive-by that they're here and I never 725 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,170 forgot that now this is why I'm asking 726 00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:23,440 you to remember that statement because 727 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:26,860 the this space force has been created 728 00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:28,930 now and they're gonna throw this in the 729 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:29,550 budget for 730 00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:32,220 20:20 and mike pence made this crazy 731 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:34,080 statement yesterday about their six 732 00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:36,870 points of of creation of the space force 733 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:40,710 in preparation for space war and I'm 734 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:42,450 quoting him right it's a pretty crazy 735 00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,170 thing but then I forced me to remember 736 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:48,240 your statement that you made on that 737 00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,090 panel so many years ago it's kind of 738 00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:53,460 feels a little strange to me what do you 739 00:38:58,580 --> 00:38:56,280 think about this space force and your 740 00:39:00,320 --> 00:38:58,590 theory that you know ET is right here in 741 00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:00,330 our solar system do you think there's 742 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:03,390 something going on um well I mean I 743 00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:06,090 think primarily this you know the so 744 00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:08,520 called space force is probably sort of a 745 00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:10,920 modern-day version of what President 746 00:39:15,860 --> 00:39:13,800 Reagan had envisaged you know the Star 747 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,870 Wars program which didn't really get off 748 00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,240 either now I think you know the 749 00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,880 technology is more advanced today but in 750 00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:22,920 same that I mean it's going to take a 751 00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:26,280 huge amount of budget you know to sort 752 00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:28,950 of plan and put into place something 753 00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:30,990 like this because if you think about it 754 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,120 now you know America doesn't even have a 755 00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:36,720 manned space program you know I mean we 756 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:39,030 had one thirty twenty years ago you know 757 00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:41,010 it imagined back then it would have been 758 00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:44,220 double triple the size but now you know 759 00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:46,110 if we want to get into space we have to 760 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,140 hitch a ride on the Russians Rockets you 761 00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:50,640 know to get to the International Space 762 00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,100 Station we literally don't have a manned 763 00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:55,920 space program so you know for this sort 764 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:01,260 of space war type organization well you 765 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:03,330 know I mean it's going to be it's almost 766 00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:04,770 like going back to the beginning again 767 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:08,550 so you know I'm not sure exactly how 768 00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:11,970 it's going to take off and I'm guessing 769 00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:15,300 you know that the primarily the primary 770 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:18,840 goal is going to be to you know find a 771 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:23,070 way to stop you know opposing missiles 772 00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:25,110 out of the sky and I personally think 773 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:27,590 it's you know it's driven by 774 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:29,850 extraterrestrials I think it's probably 775 00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:33,210 the fear that you know somebody's going 776 00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:36,300 to launch an attack from you know from 777 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:38,580 or from the Earth's orbit rather than 778 00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:40,770 you know from a silo or whatever that 779 00:40:46,109 --> 00:40:43,089 kind of thing do you think 780 00:40:47,819 --> 00:40:46,119 and the obvious question would be NIC 781 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:47,829 because you've written about this and 782 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:50,650 cover this whether it is the UFO 783 00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:52,569 phenomenon or the men and black or 784 00:40:58,170 --> 00:40:55,390 cattle mutilations the phenomenon in 785 00:41:01,230 --> 00:40:58,180 general that that they know something 786 00:41:03,329 --> 00:41:01,240 that we don't that they and this is like 787 00:41:05,549 --> 00:41:03,339 you just said it's probably somewhat 788 00:41:08,490 --> 00:41:05,559 already been in place but now this is 789 00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:08,500 going public you know is there is there 790 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:13,119 a need for concern here on our part well 791 00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:15,490 I think I think the primary concern 792 00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:17,710 would be you know somebody like the 793 00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:20,200 Russians you know I think that's 794 00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:22,180 probably who they're they're thinking 795 00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:25,500 about I mean you know if you look at the 796 00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:28,630 situation in the world today I mean you 797 00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:30,700 know with nuclear weapons and whatever I 798 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:33,670 mean it's a very unstable world right 799 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:36,490 now and I mean you even have people you 800 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:38,200 know making crazy statements to this 801 00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,450 said that you know you can win a nuclear 802 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:42,880 war which is crazy no one can win the 803 00:41:50,339 --> 00:41:45,520 nuclear war everybody loses you know 804 00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:50,349 it's impossible to win it and so you 805 00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:53,740 know I think it's the the concern of how 806 00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,710 things are just sort of you know you're 807 00:42:00,780 --> 00:41:58,720 just getting leads a lot of balls almost 808 00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:00,790 rolling you know what I mean it's like 809 00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:02,380 we're arguing with the Russians every 810 00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:04,510 five minutes and the Chinese every ten 811 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:07,990 minutes and you know it's like what's he 812 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:10,150 gonna take for people to sort of all 813 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:12,790 leaders around the world to sort of kind 814 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:16,210 of pull back from the brink you know but 815 00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,970 in saying that I mean that was pretty 816 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:21,520 much what the situation was with Ronald 817 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:23,890 Reagan when he was president but he also 818 00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:26,290 had this you know he would come out with 819 00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:28,270 these statements as to the effect that 820 00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:31,420 you know how a potential alien threat 821 00:42:36,289 --> 00:42:34,630 would would unite us all against you 822 00:42:39,690 --> 00:42:36,299 know some of sort of extraterrestrial 823 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:39,700 enemy so I mean who knows you know who 824 00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,490 knows if there's another agenda going on 825 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:45,280 that the rest of us don't know about you 826 00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:47,410 know I mean Reagan kind of alluded to 827 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:49,540 that when he was doing his you know his 828 00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:51,609 plans to have Star Wars put into place 829 00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,760 so who knows if you know something else 830 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:56,240 isn't going on 831 00:43:00,430 --> 00:42:58,010 that we don't know about and there is 832 00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:00,440 like a second agenda the first one being 833 00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:04,580 you know terrestrial forces and possibly 834 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:06,220 you know another one being 835 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:08,270 extraterrestrial yeah you could hide 836 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:11,450 everything and that it's so obvious 837 00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:14,090 right you can hide everything into well 838 00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:16,220 you know it's the it's the Russians it's 839 00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,430 the chinese it's it's our gps system its 840 00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:21,920 communications its military stuff and 841 00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:25,310 and we need to you know defend that okay 842 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:28,160 Wow all right I see that hide the budget 843 00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,090 there but then it's is there an 844 00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:32,960 extraterrestrial threat you know is 845 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:34,940 there something else there why call it a 846 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:37,910 space force if it's something else why 847 00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:39,710 not call it the satellite Defense 848 00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:44,300 Initiative no but but the the space 849 00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:48,080 force and war in space certainly feels 850 00:43:54,370 --> 00:43:52,160 different to me well yeah I think than 851 00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:54,380 just the name itself has kind of got a 852 00:43:59,350 --> 00:43:57,260 lot of people thinking you know what is 853 00:44:02,200 --> 00:43:59,360 this a space force he does kind of sound 854 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:02,210 like you know what the Marines going to 855 00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:03,740 space or something you know what I mean 856 00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:07,550 like that kind of thing and you know I 857 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:11,710 would be inclined to just say it was 858 00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:13,610 something to do you know with the 859 00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:15,350 Russians or the Chinese or whatever I 860 00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:18,590 said were it not for Reagan you know 861 00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:21,500 when he was presidents he wanted to 862 00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:25,220 create this sort of space-based Armada 863 00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:28,670 if you like but he was also talking 864 00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:31,880 about extraterrestrials you know in the 865 00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:34,190 same timeframe and how you know we 866 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:36,950 needed to keep a lookout for them so 867 00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:40,190 what would intrigue me would be if as 868 00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:42,350 the space force you know gets more 869 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:45,500 publicity to keep a lookout to see if 870 00:44:50,410 --> 00:44:47,450 you know any bond in the political arena 871 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:50,420 then starts bringing up the UFO issue 872 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:52,970 you know kind of the way that Reagan 873 00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:54,770 brought the two together we interesting 874 00:44:58,510 --> 00:44:56,660 to see if anybody does that with the 875 00:45:00,940 --> 00:44:58,520 space war you know that they in a 876 00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:00,950 theoretical way they bring the UFO angle 877 00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:03,350 into that as well then that would be I 878 00:45:08,359 --> 00:45:05,720 think you know that we kind of really 879 00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:08,369 eye-opening yeah I have 880 00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:10,950 night vision goggles I don't know if you 881 00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,990 do but but I have night vision goggles 882 00:45:17,989 --> 00:45:15,420 and looking up and seeing strange things 883 00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:17,999 is a very fun thing to do just take that 884 00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:20,190 to the next level right you're looking 885 00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:21,480 through your night vision and you're 886 00:45:24,769 --> 00:45:23,670 watching some kind of crazy space battle 887 00:45:30,049 --> 00:45:24,779 going on up there 888 00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,059 right war games testing of of weapons 889 00:45:37,819 --> 00:45:34,079 that is a whole nother that that takes 890 00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:37,829 things right into a buck war Buck Rogers 891 00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,529 type of world if this is what they are 892 00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:42,240 going to put together and you have to 893 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:44,339 test that equipment and now we have the 894 00:45:51,609 --> 00:45:47,450 ability with telescopes and night vision 895 00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:51,619 not only goggles but you have all of the 896 00:45:58,489 --> 00:45:54,599 celestron binoculars and the ability to 897 00:46:00,859 --> 00:45:58,499 look into the stars at night yeah and 898 00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:00,869 and it would be like I said you would 899 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:03,839 have to have wargames I want to I want 900 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:06,329 to get right over to the book Nick 901 00:46:13,989 --> 00:46:11,160 because when I think of you you know 902 00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:13,999 what you know cryptozoology and and 903 00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:16,950 black-eyed children and Bigfoot and and 904 00:46:25,339 --> 00:46:22,200 and Mothman this this I I get the new 905 00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:25,349 one and it's alien abduction Files and 906 00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:27,089 I'm thought here we go 907 00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:31,470 alright Nick this is pretty cool well 908 00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:33,630 the book turned out to be really really 909 00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:36,420 good and I was impressed with it but I 910 00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:39,150 have to ask you why write it what what 911 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:42,900 inspired you to go here well you know 912 00:46:46,819 --> 00:46:44,670 I've done a lot of books over the years 913 00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:46,829 I think I think this is that actually 914 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:49,950 the 50th one and and so when you did 915 00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:53,249 writing books and you're also a reader 916 00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:55,710 of books as I am you know you want to be 917 00:47:00,259 --> 00:46:58,440 able to give the audience something no I 918 00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:00,269 mean there's no point really just sort 919 00:47:04,819 --> 00:47:03,089 of going over all grounds so I always 920 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:04,829 I'm always sort of careful to try and 921 00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:07,890 come up with an idea that that I think 922 00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:09,960 people would find intriguing and which 923 00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:12,420 largely hasn't been done before now the 924 00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:14,849 books called top-secret alien abduction 925 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:17,279 files now people might say well what can 926 00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:19,650 you say about alien abductions that 927 00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:21,630 hasn't been said before you know we've 928 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:22,200 got books 929 00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:24,410 witless neighbors communion Budd Hopkins 930 00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,270 missing time and the interrupted journey 931 00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:29,700 about the Betty and Barney Hill case so 932 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:32,040 you know it's been covered a lot but one 933 00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:33,810 of the things that hadn't been covered 934 00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:36,630 to a significant degree was the whole 935 00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:40,020 issue of what government agencies know 936 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:42,390 about alien abductions and so that's the 937 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:45,540 theme of the book it's a study of cases 938 00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:48,690 and official files Declassified through 939 00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:50,520 the Freedom of Information Act which 940 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:54,030 demonstrates for decades that have been 941 00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:56,970 sort of groups within government that 942 00:48:01,700 --> 00:47:59,700 have taken an interest and a concern in 943 00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:01,710 the abduction phenomenon so that's 944 00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:03,300 basically the theme of the book like 945 00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:06,320 taking the abduction angle to a 946 00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:09,180 different level if you like what did you 947 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:12,300 ultimately find out that you didn't know 948 00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:15,690 before well one of the things I found 949 00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:18,680 was that there were more than a few 950 00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:21,960 agencies and departments within both the 951 00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:24,900 United States and the UK that over the 952 00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,140 years had had taken an interest in the 953 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:31,920 abduction phenomenon this is going back 954 00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:34,290 till the early 1960s which interestingly 955 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:37,619 enough was pretty much the same time 956 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:40,650 when you had the Betty and Barney Hill 957 00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:42,810 case which was that classic case that 958 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:46,440 really kicked everything off in 1961 now 959 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:48,810 a lot of people don't know that the Air 960 00:48:54,020 --> 00:48:52,230 Force actually opened a file on the the 961 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:54,030 Betty and Barney Hill case and it's 962 00:49:00,319 --> 00:48:57,690 actually discusses the the case itself 963 00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:00,329 very seriously you know it's not no talk 964 00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:03,180 of crackpots or anything like that it 965 00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:06,900 was like a very sober report on their 966 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:09,270 experience and where it happened and 967 00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:11,970 what they saw and references to these 968 00:49:19,339 --> 00:49:15,420 beings and and interestingly enough 969 00:49:21,859 --> 00:49:19,349 Betty herself said at one point when she 970 00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:21,869 was speaking with the Air Force about 971 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:25,800 her experiences on the phone somebody 972 00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:29,010 who was on the conversation said can we 973 00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:30,390 put you through to a different 974 00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:33,060 Department and Betty said she never 975 00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:35,740 found out who this other department 976 00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:38,560 but they were extremely interested in 977 00:49:44,810 --> 00:49:42,790 her abduction experience and and that 978 00:49:47,130 --> 00:49:44,820 kind of that mystery of who this 979 00:49:49,590 --> 00:49:47,140 organization was all this body was they 980 00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:49,600 were very keen to speak to her she 981 00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:51,880 shared the information but was never 982 00:49:58,590 --> 00:49:55,300 told who exactly it was on the other end 983 00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:58,600 of the line did you find out now I 984 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:00,670 didn't but I mean what I did find though 985 00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:03,910 is that most of the agencies and 986 00:50:09,630 --> 00:50:06,760 departments that were looking into this 987 00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:09,640 and as logic dictates are still looking 988 00:50:16,770 --> 00:50:12,100 into it we're not just sort of year 989 00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:16,780 average bodies in the military etc it 990 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:18,460 was actually specifically like 991 00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:21,010 intelligence agencies and intelligence 992 00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:22,480 departments like military intelligence 993 00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:26,160 Air Force intelligence army intelligence 994 00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:29,260 so in other words they were looking at 995 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:31,060 this as a there was a from the 996 00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:32,650 perspective like an intelligence 997 00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:37,030 gathering type of situation where there 998 00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:40,300 was clearly concerns on you know the 999 00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:43,080 nature and the frequency of these events 1000 00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:45,580 you know what was going on is this 1001 00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,590 something that's going to increase you 1002 00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:49,119 know what are the reasons for the 1003 00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:53,260 abductions and and I found a number of 1004 00:50:59,340 --> 00:50:56,230 themes running through these cases one 1005 00:51:02,400 --> 00:50:59,350 of them interestingly enough which came 1006 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:02,410 from the UK files Declassified files 1007 00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:05,290 from the National Archives just outside 1008 00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,240 of London where the government keeps it 1009 00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:09,760 declassified files I found a number of 1010 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:13,630 cases number of files which dated from 1011 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:16,090 just a couple of months from after the 1012 00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,770 Betty and Barney Hill case which was 1013 00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:20,800 September 61 so we're talking about sort 1014 00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:24,400 of early 62 and the British Royal Air 1015 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:27,369 Force their intelligence Department was 1016 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:31,090 collecting reports of young girls who 1017 00:51:35,130 --> 00:51:33,730 had reported to their parents and then 1018 00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:35,140 the parent you know the story got out 1019 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:37,540 where they talked about how they've been 1020 00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:39,850 woken up in the middle of the night and 1021 00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:42,070 seen like this ball of light out of side 1022 00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,080 of the window and they felt compelled to 1023 00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:47,200 go to the window and and then there was 1024 00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:49,480 like a period of missing time now 1025 00:51:54,330 --> 00:51:51,670 sort of classic examples of what we see 1026 00:51:56,730 --> 00:51:54,340 in abduction cases you know very very 1027 00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,740 often it starts you know a young in life 1028 00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:58,960 and people go to the window now this 1029 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:01,119 experience and their missing time they 1030 00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,310 can't remember everything and the the 1031 00:52:07,890 --> 00:52:05,220 British Royal Air Force was actually 1032 00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:07,900 actively collecting these reports and 1033 00:52:14,310 --> 00:52:11,080 interviewing these young girls 16 17 or 1034 00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:14,320 18 about their experiences and I was 1035 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:16,420 actually able to get these files through 1036 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:18,010 the freedom Information Act and use 1037 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:20,230 quotes from them in the documents and 1038 00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:22,210 these aren't you know friend-of-a-friend 1039 00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:24,910 tales anyone can now go to the National 1040 00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:27,340 Archives and and read these files but 1041 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:29,320 the the big question of course is what 1042 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:32,770 prompted the British intelligence just a 1043 00:52:38,609 --> 00:52:34,690 few months after the Betty and Barney 1044 00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:38,619 Hill case to suddenly start looking into 1045 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:41,470 cases involving young people feeling 1046 00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:43,570 compelled to the go to the window late 1047 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:46,180 at night and see these lights clearly 1048 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,850 someone knew far more about this 1049 00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:50,800 phenomenon and you know we can gauge 1050 00:52:56,550 --> 00:52:53,380 that from the files to a degree how many 1051 00:52:59,880 --> 00:52:56,560 how many how many cases were there how 1052 00:53:03,960 --> 00:52:59,890 many girls were involved well in terms 1053 00:53:05,490 --> 00:53:03,970 of the the UK cases I found these are 1054 00:53:06,780 --> 00:53:05,500 just the ones that I found because you 1055 00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:06,790 know you have to just dig through this 1056 00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:10,840 sort of massive old sort of archive of 1057 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:12,670 literally hundreds and hundreds of 1058 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:15,010 thousands of pages if not more and I 1059 00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:19,330 found 9 altogether now one of the most 1060 00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:23,350 interesting one dated from the mid-1960s 1061 00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:27,040 and a young woman and I'm Diane folks 1062 00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:30,760 and she was driving home from her home 1063 00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:33,340 in screaming back home from work in 1064 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:36,280 central England and she saw this strange 1065 00:53:42,359 --> 00:53:40,150 light in the sky and she said he beamed 1066 00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:42,369 like these rays of light down to the car 1067 00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:45,270 it effectively headlights of the car and 1068 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:47,590 these are what are known as vehicle 1069 00:53:51,830 --> 00:53:49,750 interference cases in ufology where 1070 00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:51,840 these craft scenes have the ability to 1071 00:53:59,250 --> 00:53:55,150 affect the cars and in this particular 1072 00:54:01,560 --> 00:53:59,260 case the witness Diane folks said that 1073 00:54:03,269 --> 00:54:01,570 told her parents what happened that 1074 00:54:05,219 --> 00:54:03,279 she'd seen this light object 1075 00:54:08,219 --> 00:54:05,229 Skai she was driving home from work like 1076 00:54:10,259 --> 00:54:08,229 11 o'clock at night and she was crossing 1077 00:54:13,019 --> 00:54:10,269 something called the Montford bridge in 1078 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:13,029 this little village and this object was 1079 00:54:17,939 --> 00:54:15,729 in the sky plastic flying saucer beamed 1080 00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:17,949 down this light affected the car 1081 00:54:24,779 --> 00:54:22,269 headlights and terrified her and sends 1082 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:24,789 like a shooting pain through her arm she 1083 00:54:30,749 --> 00:54:27,609 got back home in a state of like terror 1084 00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:30,759 and fear told her parents who contacted 1085 00:54:36,419 --> 00:54:33,569 the police who contacted the air force 1086 00:54:40,919 --> 00:54:36,429 local air force base and an intelligence 1087 00:54:43,319 --> 00:54:40,929 officer came out and from there the air 1088 00:54:45,989 --> 00:54:43,329 force took a great interest in her story 1089 00:54:49,439 --> 00:54:45,999 and asked a lot of weird questions such 1090 00:54:53,729 --> 00:54:49,449 as did she have any weird dreams have to 1091 00:54:57,059 --> 00:54:53,739 be in cancer what did you feed you feel 1092 00:55:01,019 --> 00:54:57,069 when you know the the object being this 1093 00:55:04,289 --> 00:55:01,029 light down to you and it turns out that 1094 00:55:07,769 --> 00:55:04,299 they'd also spoken to another person in 1095 00:55:10,259 --> 00:55:07,779 the same village a mr. Griffin and the 1096 00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:10,269 Air Force had spoken to him he lived 1097 00:55:14,969 --> 00:55:12,069 very just literally half a mile from 1098 00:55:19,499 --> 00:55:14,979 where she lived and it turned out that 1099 00:55:20,909 --> 00:55:19,509 this mr. Griffin had previously spoken 1100 00:55:24,479 --> 00:55:20,919 to the Air Force before 1101 00:55:27,269 --> 00:55:24,489 Dyanne folks that he turned out but he 1102 00:55:30,029 --> 00:55:27,279 had reported being taken onboard a UFO 1103 00:55:32,099 --> 00:55:30,039 and had vague memories of being laid out 1104 00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:32,109 on this table and strapped down and 1105 00:55:37,919 --> 00:55:34,630 these strange creatures surrounding him 1106 00:55:40,229 --> 00:55:37,929 so the and this was from the mid-sixties 1107 00:55:42,269 --> 00:55:40,239 land you know if you hadn't gone looking 1108 00:55:44,099 --> 00:55:42,279 for these files we wouldn't even really 1109 00:55:46,529 --> 00:55:44,109 know you know that the British military 1110 00:55:49,319 --> 00:55:46,539 was asking all these kind of questions 1111 00:55:51,179 --> 00:55:49,329 about abductions the waiting star doing 1112 00:55:54,899 --> 00:55:51,189 into a lot the 70s and 80s for the most 1113 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:54,909 part you know that is fascinating and we 1114 00:55:59,999 --> 00:55:57,130 we need to take a break right here when 1115 00:56:03,989 --> 00:56:00,009 we come back we can kind of set this up 1116 00:56:07,799 --> 00:56:03,999 for when we when we return it is that 1117 00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:07,809 when did it fur in a historical 1118 00:56:13,769 --> 00:56:10,630 perspective when did it like change from 1119 00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:13,779 contact II to abductee and are they one 1120 00:56:18,329 --> 00:56:15,700 in the same but the 1121 00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,339 the name and the abduction phenomenon I 1122 00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:21,280 didn't I didn't well I found out from 1123 00:56:27,089 --> 00:56:23,230 reading the book but when he reached 1124 00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:27,099 back you know before 1960 that I think 1125 00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:28,900 is a big surprise for everybody and 1126 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:31,300 that's why I really enjoyed reading the 1127 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:32,410 book because I ended up learning 1128 00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:34,810 something that quite frankly we have 1129 00:56:38,970 --> 00:56:36,670 Betty and Barney Hill we have Betty and 1130 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:38,980 Driessen and we have some of these other 1131 00:56:44,579 --> 00:56:41,290 famous cases and of course Whitley which 1132 00:56:46,859 --> 00:56:44,589 is also in the book but going back 1133 00:56:50,819 --> 00:56:46,869 it wasn't isolated a here to the United 1134 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:50,829 States but but Britain has some of the 1135 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:53,410 most amazing and compelling cases I 1136 00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:56,770 think of all of the abduction phenomenon 1137 00:57:00,480 --> 00:56:58,690 so let's take a break right here and I 1138 00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:00,490 do want to get into the history of this 1139 00:57:04,349 --> 00:57:02,380 because I think it's it's something that 1140 00:57:06,480 --> 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01:01:39,660 report and you're listening to Jimmy 1238 01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:41,970 church on fade to black across the globe 1239 01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:43,950 on the GameChanger radio network 1240 01:02:02,540 --> 01:01:47,230 the one and only kgr a radio the planet 1241 01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:07,090 [Music] 1242 01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,390 welcome back fade to black having ocb 1243 01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:12,480 Church I guess tonight Nick Redfern I 1244 01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:15,750 got Nick's Twitter up there in Twitter 1245 01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:17,580 everybody go follow Nick we're talking 1246 01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:20,670 about his new book top-secret alien 1247 01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:23,190 abduction files I'm holding it up to the 1248 01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:25,020 cameras great book what the government 1249 01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:28,230 doesn't want you to know and Nick let's 1250 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:32,880 do a little uh alien abduction 101 if we 1251 01:02:38,810 --> 01:02:35,010 if we could let's kind of set the tone 1252 01:02:44,290 --> 01:02:38,820 here when we look back to the contactee 1253 01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:44,300 phenomenon of the 50s George Van Tassel 1254 01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:50,040 Adamski are they all went to Venus right 1255 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:52,140 is that an abduction 1256 01:03:00,160 --> 01:02:53,970 yeah allegedly if you know what I mean 1257 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:00,170 but is that different from an abductee 1258 01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,330 well it is and I point this out in the 1259 01:03:07,460 --> 01:03:05,220 book because for people who might be 1260 01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:07,470 thinking well you know that the idea 1261 01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:09,270 that the government watches people who 1262 01:03:13,790 --> 01:03:11,550 claims about alien encounters 1263 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:13,800 you know like close-up encounters you 1264 01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:16,170 might say that's bizarre again we can 1265 01:03:19,310 --> 01:03:17,310 prove these through the Freedom 1266 01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:19,320 Information Act and I'll explain what I 1267 01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:22,260 mean by that now although the alien 1268 01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:24,510 abduction phenomenon didn't largely 1269 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:26,220 begin or at least he wasn't in the 1270 01:03:31,070 --> 01:03:28,770 public domain until the early sixties 1271 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:31,080 with the Betty and Barney Hill case from 1272 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:33,810 the early 1950s onwards before the 1273 01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,450 abductees there were the contactees now 1274 01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:38,000 these are people who claimed 1275 01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:41,190 face-to-face contact with aliens who 1276 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:43,140 look very much like us except they were 1277 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:45,530 sometimes described as being 1278 01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:47,850 significantly taller and with long hair 1279 01:03:53,090 --> 01:03:51,180 long blond hair now whereas in the 1280 01:03:55,070 --> 01:03:53,100 abduction cases you know people are 1281 01:03:58,790 --> 01:03:55,080 taken away abducted if against the will 1282 01:04:01,400 --> 01:03:58,800 in the contactee cases people felt sort 1283 01:04:04,850 --> 01:04:01,410 of compelled to go out into desert 1284 01:04:07,690 --> 01:04:04,860 locations where they would meet these 1285 01:04:12,290 --> 01:04:07,700 sort of human looking aliens who would 1286 01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:12,300 essentially sort of relate how they 1287 01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:14,280 would prefer that we the human race 1288 01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:16,200 leave our ways you know and they would 1289 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:18,390 talk to people about how we should lay 1290 01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:20,130 down our nuclear weapons and 1291 01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:21,870 friends with each other otherwise we're 1292 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:23,670 going to destroy the planet and all of 1293 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:25,290 these people it was almost as if they 1294 01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:27,570 were mind controlled and they felt 1295 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:30,150 compelled to sort of write books and how 1296 01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:32,250 old conferences and lectures in other 1297 01:04:37,850 --> 01:04:34,740 words it was as if the aliens were sort 1298 01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:37,860 of doing their are we were doing their 1299 01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:40,440 work for them by proxy almost if you 1300 01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:43,020 like you know and you had these people 1301 01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:45,240 who became almost like gurus you know 1302 01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,140 and they would you know attract hundreds 1303 01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:50,880 and hundreds if not thousands and 1304 01:04:56,060 --> 01:04:52,440 thousands of people to their lectures 1305 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:56,070 and seminars now when word got out you 1306 01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:56,970 know that there are a lot of these 1307 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:00,780 people talking about alien encounters 1308 01:05:05,540 --> 01:05:03,330 and how the aliens wanted to us to 1309 01:05:08,890 --> 01:05:05,550 disarm our atomic weapons and so on in 1310 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:08,900 the early 50s the FBI actually opened 1311 01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:11,850 significantly long files on many of the 1312 01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,240 early contactees for example George Van 1313 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:18,240 Tassel who created the integratron as a 1314 01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,050 giant rock in California George Van 1315 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:24,720 Tassel's FBI file is just over three 1316 01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:27,290 hundred pages in length 1317 01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:31,920 George Adamski's is about 140 Truman 1318 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:39,110 contactees in the 50s he's files about 1319 01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:41,850 50 pages George Hunt Williamson's he's 1320 01:05:49,340 --> 01:05:45,650 about 70 and I could go on and on and on 1321 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:49,350 the the FBI opened files on somewhere in 1322 01:05:55,220 --> 01:05:51,890 the region about 15 of the early 1323 01:05:56,770 --> 01:05:55,230 contactees in the 1950s and most of them 1324 01:05:59,060 --> 01:05:56,780 most of the files have now been 1325 01:06:01,460 --> 01:05:59,070 Declassified into the public domain but 1326 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:01,470 they talk about how the FBI sat in the 1327 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:04,770 audience and make notes and you know 1328 01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:07,170 reported back to J Edgar Hoover as to 1329 01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:09,000 you know the the beliefs that the 1330 01:06:13,310 --> 01:06:11,400 contactees had about the aliens and why 1331 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:13,320 they were here and why should we should 1332 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:16,410 lay down our atomic weapons and so on so 1333 01:06:19,790 --> 01:06:18,210 in other words the reason why I talked 1334 01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:19,800 about this in the first chapter in the 1335 01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:21,390 book because it acts as sort of like a 1336 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:23,880 precedent for what came in the sixties 1337 01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:26,370 you know already in the fifties the 1338 01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,020 government was watching people who 1339 01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:30,720 claimed face to face face to face alien 1340 01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,300 contact so it made even more so 1341 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:35,760 that when people reported being 1342 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:38,970 kidnapped and you know them their minds 1343 01:06:44,570 --> 01:06:41,970 wiped their memories wiped you can then 1344 01:06:47,140 --> 01:06:44,580 say why it made a great deal of sense 1345 01:06:49,550 --> 01:06:47,150 that they would continue the the 1346 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:49,560 surveillance you know when he went from 1347 01:06:59,090 --> 01:06:53,010 the contactee arena to the abduction 1348 01:07:01,940 --> 01:06:59,100 arena what was the period of change you 1349 01:07:06,670 --> 01:07:01,950 know when when when did the first I like 1350 01:07:09,620 --> 01:07:06,680 the we say kidnapping was actually well 1351 01:07:12,050 --> 01:07:09,630 well I mean it's difficult to say for 1352 01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:12,060 sure but what we can say with certainty 1353 01:07:17,030 --> 01:07:14,520 is that the visibility of the abduction 1354 01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:17,040 phenomenon phenomenon certainly began 1355 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:20,760 with the Betty and Barney Hill case in 1356 01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:24,450 September 1961 and the reason being the 1357 01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:29,160 the story got out and John fuller wrote 1358 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:31,980 a book all the interrupted journey all 1359 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:34,650 about Betty and Barney as Betty and 1360 01:07:41,590 --> 01:07:37,290 Barney Hills case now it's important 1361 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:41,600 that that case was seen as the first 1362 01:07:46,310 --> 01:07:44,370 abduction case but if you look at the 1363 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:46,320 history of it now it really wasn't the 1364 01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:48,810 first case what it was it was the first 1365 01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:51,870 one the first abduction case really that 1366 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:54,420 was accepted by the UFO research 1367 01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:57,090 community and that also caught the 1368 01:08:02,810 --> 01:07:59,880 attention of the media and the general 1369 01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:02,820 public as well but in later years people 1370 01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:04,440 have said you know well my grandmother 1371 01:08:09,140 --> 01:08:06,660 my grandfather had an experience back in 1372 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:09,150 the 1920s so you know we can push the 1373 01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,250 barriers back a long way but when he 1374 01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:14,640 started to be spoken about publicly was 1375 01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:17,460 the early 60s now there were still some 1376 01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:19,799 contactees around and there are still 1377 01:08:24,770 --> 01:08:22,859 some around to this day but there's no 1378 01:08:27,950 --> 01:08:24,780 doubt that the abduction phenomenon 1379 01:08:30,770 --> 01:08:27,960 quickly eclipsed the the contactee 1380 01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:30,780 phenomenon and for a lot of people you 1381 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:33,270 know even in ufology be the contact a 1382 01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:36,810 movement was seen as like as a redundant 1383 01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:40,980 quaint kind of you know coltish type 1384 01:08:46,220 --> 01:08:43,589 societies or whatever which actually 1385 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:46,230 wasn't really the case but it was the 1386 01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,770 case 1387 01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:48,900 you know he did become dominated and 1388 01:08:58,250 --> 01:08:51,839 sort of overwhelmed by the abduction 1389 01:09:01,180 --> 01:08:58,260 movement the oh I just got this is from 1390 01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,190 the UK I'm just gonna do this as a 1391 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:03,660 little favor got a friend over in the UK 1392 01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:06,810 that was got a podcast that he's doing 1393 01:09:14,110 --> 01:09:09,750 he lives in Dover actually and he he 1394 01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:14,120 wants to know for you who are the top 1395 01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:19,049 British ufologist that that that should 1396 01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:23,580 be mentioned good question I would say 1397 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:26,460 one of them he's a Gary Heseltine Gary's 1398 01:09:32,059 --> 01:09:29,850 a retired police officer and he puts a 1399 01:09:35,300 --> 01:09:32,069 conference on in England every year and 1400 01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:35,310 I would say Gary's definitely one of the 1401 01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:37,620 lady ones because you know he's a 1402 01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:40,020 background in in the police force you 1403 01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:41,670 know he's grounded and he knows how to 1404 01:09:47,570 --> 01:09:44,460 surrey interview people and chase their 1405 01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:47,580 mysteries but also he's someone who's 1406 01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:50,430 done a really good job of collecting and 1407 01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:54,390 filing and collating reports of police 1408 01:09:59,420 --> 01:09:57,780 officer police officer based cases and 1409 01:10:02,870 --> 01:09:59,430 so as a police officer officer himself 1410 01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:02,880 you know he's had a lot of input from 1411 01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,520 colleagues and so on so I think you know 1412 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,400 that aspect alone of the phenomenon you 1413 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:10,770 know Gary's done a really good job of 1414 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:13,920 kind of you know addressing this 1415 01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:17,010 particular angle his name is Jimmy and 1416 01:10:25,580 --> 01:10:20,910 his son Micah they do this podcast and 1417 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:25,590 his son is like eight years old a spot 1418 01:10:32,780 --> 01:10:27,410 on his game Nick 1419 01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,790 spot on his game you should yeah you 1420 01:10:38,210 --> 01:10:35,040 know he's called into the show a few 1421 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:38,220 times I gotta tell you he's a sharp 1422 01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:40,410 sharp he's got a big future in this 1423 01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:43,500 community so yeah keep your eyes peeled 1424 01:10:50,050 --> 01:10:47,100 for that now I want to go back actually 1425 01:10:52,940 --> 01:10:50,060 to a damn ski for a moment to have a 1426 01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:52,950 300-page not a damn ski I'm sorry Van 1427 01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:56,520 Tassel yeah to have a 300 page dossier 1428 01:11:00,090 --> 01:10:58,900 by the FBI they're not going to 1429 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:00,100 do that because you're an interesting 1430 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:02,530 dude they're going to do that because 1431 01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:04,810 you've got something that they are that 1432 01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:08,230 they need you know and why 300 pages on 1433 01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,600 Van Tassel who I think you know and I'm 1434 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:11,920 gonna say something else I'm glad that 1435 01:11:18,270 --> 01:11:14,260 you not only bring up Van Tassel in the 1436 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:18,280 book and George Van Tassel in a large 1437 01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:21,850 cent has is not of note in the UFO 1438 01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:24,790 community you've got to go and dig or or 1439 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:27,190 be seriously interested in the subject 1440 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:30,730 to go and and get into George Van Tassel 1441 01:11:35,729 --> 01:11:32,170 I think he's one of the most fascinating 1442 01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:35,739 aspects of all of you follow gee why we 1443 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:39,000 did the FBI have such an interest in him 1444 01:11:43,890 --> 01:11:42,130 well yeah I mean it's it's important to 1445 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:43,900 know you made a good point there Jimmy 1446 01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:45,370 when you said most people in ufology 1447 01:11:50,850 --> 01:11:48,580 today don't know about George on Tassel 1448 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:50,860 now that's very true you know back in 1449 01:11:55,620 --> 01:11:53,050 the 50s there was so many people in the 1450 01:11:58,380 --> 01:11:55,630 contactee movement and they were you 1451 01:11:59,760 --> 01:11:58,390 know really big names but time went by 1452 01:12:02,130 --> 01:11:59,770 people forgot them 1453 01:12:04,649 --> 01:12:02,140 they got elbowed you know out of the 1454 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:04,659 picture by the abduction movement and 1455 01:12:10,110 --> 01:12:07,510 things like Roswell in area 51 and it 1456 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:10,120 became sort of like a part of forgotten 1457 01:12:15,899 --> 01:12:13,150 ufology but back in the 50s you know the 1458 01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:15,909 contactee issue was the dominating one 1459 01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:17,110 there's no doubt about that 1460 01:12:24,260 --> 01:12:21,640 now the FBI files on Van Tassel's show 1461 01:12:28,169 --> 01:12:24,270 that on three occasions they visited him 1462 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:28,179 at his home and also sat in the audience 1463 01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:30,250 at a number of his lectures and 1464 01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:35,440 conferences and made notes etc and the 1465 01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:38,080 you know the the approach was not you 1466 01:12:43,380 --> 01:12:40,150 know poking fun at him or anything like 1467 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:43,390 this or suggesting he was a liar they 1468 01:12:47,130 --> 01:12:45,130 were asking questions about you know 1469 01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:47,140 tell us what happened in your encounter 1470 01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:49,150 you know where did it happen what time 1471 01:12:53,729 --> 01:12:51,640 of the night or day you know what did he 1472 01:12:56,130 --> 01:12:53,739 the creatures or the aliens look like 1473 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:56,140 what did their craft look like and 1474 01:13:00,660 --> 01:12:57,610 though particularly interested as the 1475 01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:00,670 file show in his beliefs about religion 1476 01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:03,340 for example he believed that the legend 1477 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:05,860 or the story of Noah's Ark he believed 1478 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:09,610 that Noah's Ark was one of many arks 1479 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:12,250 with but which were actually space arks 1480 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:12,610 and 1481 01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:14,530 he believed or he was told but 1482 01:13:20,689 --> 01:13:17,920 supposedly by his his alien friends that 1483 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:20,699 the the story of the Great Flood 1484 01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:25,090 occurred but he was told that the B Ark 1485 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:28,449 that was a distorted story based upon 1486 01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:32,530 numerous space arks taking animals and 1487 01:13:36,629 --> 01:13:34,750 people who could survive the flood and 1488 01:13:39,149 --> 01:13:36,639 men could be deposited back back on the 1489 01:13:42,629 --> 01:13:39,159 planet when a sort of a turmoil was all 1490 01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:42,639 over he also said that the Star of 1491 01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:47,590 Bethlehem was a UFO and Ezekiel's whale 1492 01:13:53,970 --> 01:13:50,409 was also a flying saucer and all of this 1493 01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:53,980 was sort of very soberly written in the 1494 01:14:00,660 --> 01:13:56,860 FBI's files and you know they they took 1495 01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:00,670 a deep interest even to the extent as 1496 01:14:05,310 --> 01:14:03,340 far as late as the 1960s sitting in the 1497 01:14:08,879 --> 01:14:05,320 you know in the audience's at his 1498 01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:08,889 lectures and carefully noting just about 1499 01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:11,920 every claim and theory that you know he 1500 01:14:17,399 --> 01:14:16,000 was sharing with his audiences so so in 1501 01:14:19,290 --> 01:14:17,409 other words you know when you read the 1502 01:14:23,070 --> 01:14:19,300 files it's not like they're talking 1503 01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:23,080 about the contactees as crazy people who 1504 01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:25,540 need to be watched you know for 1505 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:28,710 everybody's safety it was it was just 1506 01:14:34,050 --> 01:14:31,330 straightforward questions tell us what 1507 01:14:36,689 --> 01:14:34,060 you saw how you felt what did the craft 1508 01:14:39,570 --> 01:14:36,699 look like and so on and of course Van 1509 01:14:41,490 --> 01:14:39,580 Tassel he's noted for his integratron 1510 01:14:44,540 --> 01:14:41,500 which is out at landers in the 1511 01:14:47,370 --> 01:14:44,550 california desert the integra being this 1512 01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,380 two-story circular building which 1513 01:14:54,899 --> 01:14:50,560 according to Van Tassel had he finished 1514 01:14:57,540 --> 01:14:54,909 it would provide like an extensive life 1515 01:15:01,020 --> 01:14:57,550 span or even as he felt one day 1516 01:15:04,050 --> 01:15:01,030 immortality but you know the secret died 1517 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:04,060 with him unfortunately but he was a 1518 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:06,730 fascinating character and you know he 1519 01:15:11,220 --> 01:15:09,210 was sort of a major player in 1950s 1520 01:15:15,149 --> 01:15:11,230 ufology I mean just to give you an 1521 01:15:17,820 --> 01:15:15,159 example of how popular Van Tassel was 1522 01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:17,830 and how he kind of eclipsed Stephen 1523 01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:20,020 today's ufology he would put on an 1524 01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:23,590 outdoor outdoor conference or festival 1525 01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:25,960 if you like every summer throughout 1526 01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:30,060 Fifty's and at its height that festival 1527 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:33,160 attracted around about 12,000 people a 1528 01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:36,010 year you know you you go to conferences 1529 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:37,360 now you'll get like three or four 1530 01:15:41,550 --> 01:15:39,130 hundred people in the audience which is 1531 01:15:43,709 --> 01:15:41,560 quite respectable but twelve thousand 1532 01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:43,719 just blows out the window you know 1533 01:15:46,979 --> 01:15:46,120 anything from today really yeah you go 1534 01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:46,989 and you look at those old 1535 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:50,260 black-and-white films of his festival 1536 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:51,850 out there fifteen you know like you just 1537 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:54,730 said 12,000 15,000 now think about that 1538 01:15:59,190 --> 01:15:56,410 for a second just put that in 1539 01:16:03,420 --> 01:15:59,200 perspective absolutely incredible there 1540 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:03,430 was one other thing that Van Tassel in 1541 01:16:09,209 --> 01:16:06,370 it he did this a sensational sit down 1542 01:16:11,490 --> 01:16:09,219 interview that you can find online for 1543 01:16:15,390 --> 01:16:11,500 television and in that interview he 1544 01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:15,400 discloses and this is fascinating to me 1545 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:18,910 that he built a time machine in downtown 1546 01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,130 Santa Monica California right and he 1547 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:23,440 talks about he gives to the location and 1548 01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:28,090 he says that his friends his et friends 1549 01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:31,270 gave him a formula I don't have it in 1550 01:16:37,530 --> 01:16:32,590 front of me right now but gave him a 1551 01:16:40,110 --> 01:16:37,540 formula to record time up to seven years 1552 01:16:42,209 --> 01:16:40,120 in the past and he and and he built this 1553 01:16:46,110 --> 01:16:42,219 machine to do it in a building in 1554 01:16:49,709 --> 01:16:46,120 downtown Santa Monica and and it Nick 1555 01:16:51,450 --> 01:16:49,719 for me yeah it's a that's a pretty good 1556 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:51,460 revelation it's a pretty good thing to 1557 01:16:57,330 --> 01:16:53,250 say and there but he it's he's so 1558 01:17:01,500 --> 01:16:57,340 matter-of-fact about it right he he he 1559 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:01,510 just spoke as as straightforward as 1560 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:03,010 anybody else that you could think of 1561 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:05,530 like the guy next door and it's it's 1562 01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:08,050 George Van Tassel talking about ETS in 1563 01:17:12,209 --> 01:17:09,880 the formula in a time machine in a 1564 01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:12,219 building that he built in downtown Santa 1565 01:17:17,459 --> 01:17:14,920 Monica it's incredible but today nobody 1566 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:17,469 knows about George Van Tassel in 1567 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:19,450 mythology he should be spoken about 1568 01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:22,090 every day well you know it's interesting 1569 01:17:28,170 --> 01:17:25,030 you should say that because one of the 1570 01:17:30,150 --> 01:17:28,180 reasons why van tassel was watched was 1571 01:17:32,729 --> 01:17:30,160 despite the fact that a lot of his 1572 01:17:35,970 --> 01:17:32,739 claims were extremely controversial he 1573 01:17:39,130 --> 01:17:35,980 actually for a long time worked out at 1574 01:17:41,260 --> 01:17:39,140 Hughes Aircraft and he was actually 1575 01:17:42,460 --> 01:17:41,270 most friends with Howard Hughes they 1576 01:17:43,900 --> 01:17:42,470 literally were close friends you know 1577 01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:43,910 they would have dinner together with his 1578 01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:47,840 wife and Van Tassel's wife and of course 1579 01:17:53,050 --> 01:17:50,290 Howard Hughes you know Hughes Aircraft 1580 01:17:55,180 --> 01:17:53,060 was a company that was heavily you know 1581 01:17:58,570 --> 01:17:55,190 tied to the military and doing you know 1582 01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,580 work for the military but also you know 1583 01:18:03,550 --> 01:18:01,040 how Hughes had ties to the CIA as well 1584 01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:03,560 so in other words it was the threads and 1585 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:06,560 the connections that Van Tassel had like 1586 01:18:11,980 --> 01:18:09,650 Howard Hughes that also placed him under 1587 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:11,990 surveillance because this was someone 1588 01:18:17,530 --> 01:18:14,090 who was you know plugged into the world 1589 01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:17,540 of US military aviation and all sorts of 1590 01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:20,450 facilities Howard Hughes would fly out 1591 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:24,530 at night to Van Tassel's airstrip and 1592 01:18:38,350 --> 01:18:35,140 mrs. Van Tassel maybe sort of great 1593 01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:38,360 through pies which Howard Hughes kind of 1594 01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:39,890 got addicted to and so whenever he could 1595 01:18:46,810 --> 01:18:43,400 fly out because Van Tassel actually 1596 01:18:50,110 --> 01:18:46,820 built like an air strip for planes to 1597 01:18:53,020 --> 01:18:50,120 come in and land near to the integratron 1598 01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:53,030 and yes you were cooked pie froth for 1599 01:18:58,840 --> 01:18:54,110 them all and they would sit around 1600 01:19:01,960 --> 01:18:58,850 talking about UFOs yeah yeah don't you a 1601 01:19:04,930 --> 01:19:01,970 time machine I mean how good you know 1602 01:19:06,430 --> 01:19:04,940 what I would listen to Van Tassel tell 1603 01:19:09,940 --> 01:19:06,440 these stories you know we're sitting 1604 01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:09,950 around giant rock Howard wings in you 1605 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:12,080 know and I turn to my wife is the pie 1606 01:19:18,910 --> 01:19:16,370 fresh as a trash you just gotta love it 1607 01:19:20,050 --> 01:19:18,920 kind of like it's like a twin page you 1608 01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:20,060 know when they're always talking about 1609 01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:22,490 the pie you never cherry pie never and 1610 01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:28,250 the coffee right bad spicy apple pies 1611 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:31,790 according to one of our two uh Twitter's 1612 01:19:40,540 --> 01:19:35,930 right there IPD now okay this is when 1613 01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:40,550 did as you start to research this when 1614 01:19:47,470 --> 01:19:43,510 did things like take the sinister turn 1615 01:19:49,870 --> 01:19:47,480 yeah because look with Betty and Barney 1616 01:19:50,629 --> 01:19:49,880 Hill and his regression and you listen 1617 01:19:54,379 --> 01:19:50,639 to 1618 01:19:56,780 --> 01:19:54,389 the trauma of the tapes of of that okay 1619 01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:56,790 yeah it was it was pretty traumatic 1620 01:20:00,919 --> 01:19:59,040 but things definitely started to take a 1621 01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:00,929 sinister turn when did that start to 1622 01:20:07,340 --> 01:20:05,369 happen well certainly the the concert a 1623 01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:07,350 movement had was at its height from sort 1624 01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,860 about 52 to about 58 it started to sort 1625 01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,480 of trail off a little bit but didn't 1626 01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:14,880 never went away completely but certainly 1627 01:20:20,180 --> 01:20:17,520 the late fifties he started to fade away 1628 01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:20,190 and people predominantly focused on just 1629 01:20:26,300 --> 01:20:22,920 UFO sightings and reports you know 1630 01:20:27,859 --> 01:20:26,310 objects in the sky now the the Betty and 1631 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:27,869 Barney Hill case the people who don't 1632 01:20:34,939 --> 01:20:30,810 know September 61 they returned him from 1633 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:34,949 a vacation in Canada and on the time 1634 01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:37,050 back or on the journey back I should say 1635 01:20:42,350 --> 01:20:40,710 that appeared of missing time and they 1636 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:42,360 knew something weird had happened 1637 01:20:45,979 --> 01:20:43,650 they even knew something weird was going 1638 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:45,989 on at the time they were seen this thing 1639 01:20:50,750 --> 01:20:49,170 in the sky and you know they could never 1640 01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:50,760 get more and more traumatised and 1641 01:20:55,370 --> 01:20:52,110 worried that he seemed to be following 1642 01:20:56,899 --> 01:20:55,380 them and they got back home and found 1643 01:21:00,500 --> 01:20:56,909 that there was like a period of missing 1644 01:21:03,140 --> 01:21:00,510 time they started to have nightmares and 1645 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:03,150 sort of frantic dreams over the next 1646 01:21:08,570 --> 01:21:05,850 days and weeks of being taken on board 1647 01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:08,580 this craft and sort of subjected to like 1648 01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:10,679 a like a lab animal that kind of thing 1649 01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:15,199 and and sort of genetic issues as well 1650 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:18,060 reproduction aspects to the to the 1651 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:20,610 experiments and saw these strange 1652 01:21:24,649 --> 01:21:23,130 creatures which they weren't described 1653 01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:24,659 as a lot of people think like the 1654 01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:27,570 classic greys aliens of today they were 1655 01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:29,880 shorter than normal and they had these 1656 01:21:36,379 --> 01:21:31,830 penetrating eyes but they were sort of 1657 01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:36,389 more humanoid and they suffered quite 1658 01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:39,090 greatly with nightmares and you know 1659 01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:41,340 things like this and Barney even 1660 01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,639 developed stomach ulcers and there 1661 01:21:48,620 --> 01:21:47,280 eventually persuaded to to go and see 1662 01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:48,630 you know someone to trot like a 1663 01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:50,730 psychiatrist to see they could be helped 1664 01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:53,310 and it turned out that there was like a 1665 01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:56,250 connection between the Air Force and one 1666 01:22:01,070 --> 01:21:58,650 of the psychiatrists which may actually 1667 01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:01,080 not have been a coincidence some people 1668 01:22:04,130 --> 01:22:03,300 think that you know that the Air Force 1669 01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:04,140 may actually 1670 01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:06,600 he wanted to get in on the case you know 1671 01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:10,260 and and then John fuller who was an 1672 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:12,420 author saw this being a great story 1673 01:22:18,860 --> 01:22:15,930 wrote you know wrote their story got you 1674 01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:18,870 know permission and their confidence to 1675 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:20,820 write the story and the interrupted 1676 01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:23,970 journey was like a huge selling book so 1677 01:22:28,610 --> 01:22:26,850 it was really early to mid 60's that 1678 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:28,620 things began to go from being 1679 01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:31,290 benevolence by benevolence pace brothers 1680 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:33,960 talking to us out in the desert to these 1681 01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:36,690 creepy little characters kidnapping 1682 01:22:42,710 --> 01:22:38,610 people and doing all sorts of 1683 01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,720 experiments on them and and really from 1684 01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:44,640 the mid sixties onwards the abduction 1685 01:22:50,510 --> 01:22:46,950 angle was sort of a dominating factor 1686 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:50,520 when it came to case UFO cases involving 1687 01:22:57,710 --> 01:22:53,610 entities now and we're gonna discuss 1688 01:23:01,520 --> 01:22:57,720 this more as the evening goes on but 1689 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:01,530 there's another twist to the abduction 1690 01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,250 phenomenon that you discuss at length in 1691 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:08,400 the book which is the my lab situation 1692 01:23:15,170 --> 01:23:11,610 and also you discuss who are the 1693 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:15,180 abductors so we have we have two things 1694 01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:19,290 that seem to be going on here and I have 1695 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:23,880 asked a lot of abductees is there a 1696 01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,690 possibility that this could be 1697 01:23:32,150 --> 01:23:29,280 terrestrial right could this be us that 1698 01:23:35,420 --> 01:23:32,160 are you know staging these abductions to 1699 01:23:39,170 --> 01:23:35,430 make them seem like it's its et which is 1700 01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:39,180 to me Nick is just as sinister as if 1701 01:23:44,690 --> 01:23:43,290 it's et so let's discuss that for a 1702 01:23:47,690 --> 01:23:44,700 second and we'll get a little bit deeper 1703 01:23:53,060 --> 01:23:47,700 after the break but how many of these 1704 01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:53,070 could be us our own air force well well 1705 01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:55,050 I don't know I would I would say to the 1706 01:24:00,110 --> 01:23:56,940 air force but some there are cases on 1707 01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:00,120 record where people claims have been 1708 01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:02,760 abducted and you know as if they're 1709 01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:03,890 under some sort of mind control 1710 01:24:09,260 --> 01:24:06,600 hypnotism that kind of thing that them 1711 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:09,270 their mind is not normal you know they 1712 01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:11,130 feel sort of spaced out almost if 1713 01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,500 they've been drugged and they've been 1714 01:24:17,709 --> 01:24:15,840 taking on board a UFO now there are a 1715 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:17,719 few cases and granted they are 1716 01:24:22,529 --> 01:24:20,090 they're not sort of anywhere near the 1717 01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:22,539 number of what I guess you would call 1718 01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,050 regular 1719 01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:26,239 alien functions in such a thing as a 1720 01:24:33,459 --> 01:24:29,840 regular alien abduction but in into the 1721 01:24:35,469 --> 01:24:33,469 sort of smaller numbers of cases people 1722 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:35,479 of claims have sort of come out of this 1723 01:24:41,950 --> 01:24:39,170 haze and suddenly the so called alien 1724 01:24:44,979 --> 01:24:41,960 greys turn out to be sort of six foot 1725 01:24:47,890 --> 01:24:44,989 tall burly military guys in black like 1726 01:24:50,410 --> 01:24:47,900 SWAT suits that kind of thing and this 1727 01:24:53,009 --> 01:24:50,420 has given rise to a theory that perhaps 1728 01:24:56,169 --> 01:24:53,019 in a small number of cases that 1729 01:25:01,029 --> 01:24:56,179 mind-altering technology has been used 1730 01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:01,039 not necessarily directly through issues 1731 01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:03,409 relating to the UFO phenomenon but 1732 01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:06,409 basically trying to determine hey you 1733 01:25:10,689 --> 01:25:08,690 know if we can make people believe with 1734 01:25:12,250 --> 01:25:10,699 their seeing aliens we can make them 1735 01:25:14,350 --> 01:25:12,260 believe they're seen anything that was 1736 01:25:16,839 --> 01:25:14,360 kind of the approach in other words it 1737 01:25:20,319 --> 01:25:16,849 was allegedly the the stories are borne 1738 01:25:22,330 --> 01:25:20,329 out of the MKULTRA program of the CIA in 1739 01:25:25,989 --> 01:25:22,340 the fifties which is the sort of 1740 01:25:27,609 --> 01:25:25,999 predominance mind control project of the 1741 01:25:30,969 --> 01:25:27,619 CIA in the fifties and one of the 1742 01:25:33,759 --> 01:25:30,979 theories is that the you know the CIA 1743 01:25:37,049 --> 01:25:33,769 knew there were genuine abductions but 1744 01:25:40,180 --> 01:25:37,059 they realized that they could also use 1745 01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:40,190 the alien abduction phenomenon as sort 1746 01:25:46,540 --> 01:25:42,249 of a cover to test their own 1747 01:25:49,709 --> 01:25:46,550 technologies on unwitting victims and to 1748 01:25:52,959 --> 01:25:49,719 use the UFO phenomenon as a way of 1749 01:25:55,899 --> 01:25:52,969 gauging how successful this mind-control 1750 01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:55,909 technology and substances and cocktails 1751 01:26:01,359 --> 01:25:58,880 might be so you know this is where it 1752 01:26:03,489 --> 01:26:01,369 gets really confusing in the sense that 1753 01:26:06,339 --> 01:26:03,499 we have what I believe our genuine 1754 01:26:09,390 --> 01:26:06,349 abduction experiences and then you have 1755 01:26:11,589 --> 01:26:09,400 people in the intelligence community 1756 01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:11,599 using my don't mind altering 1757 01:26:17,770 --> 01:26:14,239 technologies to try and determine if 1758 01:26:20,259 --> 01:26:17,780 they can fabricate you UFO events really 1759 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:20,269 to see how successful and powerful you 1760 01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:23,090 know these mind-altering technologies 1761 01:26:28,839 --> 01:26:26,510 can really be so that makes it you know 1762 01:26:31,419 --> 01:26:28,849 extremely complicated to try and figure 1763 01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:31,429 out which abductions 1764 01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:33,840 hours on which is somebody else's and 1765 01:26:39,379 --> 01:26:36,150 it's interesting that that scenario was 1766 01:26:42,109 --> 01:26:39,389 also touched upon in the x-files on a 1767 01:26:44,930 --> 01:26:42,119 number of occasions where you had real 1768 01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:44,940 abductions and fabricated abductions as 1769 01:26:51,589 --> 01:26:49,770 well how sinister is that right we're 1770 01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:51,599 supposed to have our government here to 1771 01:26:58,839 --> 01:26:55,250 protect us but we have what I think are 1772 01:27:02,120 --> 01:26:58,849 numerous credible reports of our 1773 01:27:04,939 --> 01:27:02,130 government being involved in this and in 1774 01:27:09,290 --> 01:27:04,949 some cases Nick working side by side 1775 01:27:10,459 --> 01:27:09,300 with odd with aliens and et well it's 1776 01:27:11,839 --> 01:27:10,469 interesting when you separate the 1777 01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:11,849 government because one of the things I 1778 01:27:17,569 --> 01:27:15,420 found out or concluded during a lot of 1779 01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:17,579 the research for the book is that it 1780 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:20,760 seems that most of the departments 1781 01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:22,530 offices however you want to term them 1782 01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,170 that are doing this abduction research 1783 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:27,840 and possibly the fabricating side as 1784 01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:31,290 well don't seem to be from the 1785 01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:33,810 government per se as we understand it it 1786 01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:35,639 seems to be that they're sort of like 1787 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:38,820 black budget funded organizations that 1788 01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:42,090 actually operate outside of the 1789 01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:43,920 government itself other in other words 1790 01:27:48,350 --> 01:27:45,840 we're talking about black programs that 1791 01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:48,360 are buried so deeply there and which are 1792 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:51,179 funded from outside sources that they're 1793 01:27:56,290 --> 01:27:54,210 even the government isn't aware of them 1794 01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,300 which is you know gets into really 1795 01:28:02,270 --> 01:27:59,040 controversial and confusing areas when 1796 01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:02,280 these organizations operate outside of 1797 01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,369 governments but they're so powerful and 1798 01:28:10,609 --> 01:28:07,800 buried so deeply that the elected 1799 01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:10,619 governments and the agencies like Air 1800 01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:13,170 Force intelligence CIA et cetera may 1801 01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:15,960 actually not know who's doing this you 1802 01:28:19,609 --> 01:28:17,520 know it's like they're buried so deep 1803 01:28:22,339 --> 01:28:19,619 but even the people we assume would know 1804 01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:22,349 are actually out of the loop let's take 1805 01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:24,420 a break right here our guest tonight is 1806 01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,550 Nick Redfern we are talking about his 1807 01:28:28,820 --> 01:28:28,320 new book I've got it right here holding 1808 01:28:31,730 --> 01:28:28,830 up to 1809 01:28:34,730 --> 01:28:31,740 amer top-secret alien abduction files 1810 01:28:36,620 --> 01:28:34,740 what the government doesn't want you to 1811 01:28:38,750 --> 01:28:36,630 know I'm your host Jimmy Church follow 1812 01:28:40,820 --> 01:28:38,760 me 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the revolution is on radio 1896 01:32:42,300 --> 01:33:21,120 [Music] 1897 01:33:25,780 --> 01:33:23,520 welcome back I'm the host Amy Church 1898 01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:25,790 fade to black our guest tonight Nick 1899 01:33:30,460 --> 01:33:28,370 Redfern and yes we're talking about his 1900 01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:30,470 new book top-secret alien abduction 1901 01:33:34,990 --> 01:33:32,450 files what the government doesn't want 1902 01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:35,000 you to know and it is an excellent book 1903 01:33:38,170 --> 01:33:37,010 I recommend it and we're gonna be 1904 01:33:40,330 --> 01:33:38,180 talking about it for the rest of the 1905 01:33:43,630 --> 01:33:40,340 night and Nick I don't I don't know why 1906 01:33:52,570 --> 01:33:43,640 and it's weird when I think about you I 1907 01:33:55,810 --> 01:33:52,580 think about blister in the Sun yeah I 1908 01:33:58,750 --> 01:33:55,820 don't know it's a weird thing okay I 1909 01:34:02,280 --> 01:33:58,760 just admitted it I've gone public 1910 01:34:06,180 --> 01:34:02,290 Darin from the UK who's a fan of yours 1911 01:34:10,210 --> 01:34:06,190 wants to ask you this he says he's from 1912 01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,220 Kanak UK do you know where that is it's 1913 01:34:16,510 --> 01:34:12,080 about five miles from where I grew up 1914 01:34:18,970 --> 01:34:16,520 oh okay he says he had a black triangle 1915 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:18,980 encounter lasting 15 minutes driving 1916 01:34:25,390 --> 01:34:22,370 through Wales in 1988 to 1990 later 1917 01:34:29,980 --> 01:34:25,400 discovered a UFO group in rudely town 1918 01:34:33,010 --> 01:34:29,990 where's rudely that's just a couple of 1919 01:34:36,370 --> 01:34:33,020 miles from Kennex okay well this is your 1920 01:34:39,730 --> 01:34:36,380 hometown and he said that so he went to 1921 01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:39,740 this UFO group and Eirene bot was there 1922 01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:43,040 and he reported his encounter to her he 1923 01:34:47,970 --> 01:34:44,900 wants to know or where she is today 1924 01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:47,980 where is Irene bot do you know I 1925 01:34:54,250 --> 01:34:51,890 actually don't but I know Irene well she 1926 01:34:59,170 --> 01:34:54,260 used to run the Staffordshire UFO group 1927 01:35:01,420 --> 01:34:59,180 for about threat five years and and then 1928 01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:01,430 she retired from it and handed it over 1929 01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:03,920 to a colleague of hers Graham Allen she 1930 01:35:08,830 --> 01:35:06,770 just felt she'd gone as far as she she 1931 01:35:10,750 --> 01:35:08,840 wanted to go you know she felt she you 1932 01:35:12,730 --> 01:35:10,760 know got a lot of answers to the subject 1933 01:35:15,940 --> 01:35:12,740 a lot of good cases and made a great 1934 01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:15,950 deal of advances but you know she also 1935 01:35:22,810 --> 01:35:20,960 had a job etc and and so she she retired 1936 01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:22,820 or resigned from the group and then 1937 01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:25,130 Graham took over but I don't think the 1938 01:35:30,250 --> 01:35:27,380 group is in existence anymore I think it 1939 01:35:32,430 --> 01:35:30,260 closed down about ten years ago maybe 1940 01:35:34,860 --> 01:35:32,440 something like that you know 1941 01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:34,870 the easiest thing really to sort of run 1942 01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:37,090 a monthly grope you know for conferences 1943 01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:40,060 on in lectures and as I has a lot of 1944 01:35:45,150 --> 01:35:42,489 people who I know when you and they get 1945 01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:45,160 when they put groups together it isn't 1946 01:35:51,420 --> 01:35:48,310 the easiest thing to do every month so 1947 01:35:54,090 --> 01:35:51,430 yeah the the group unfortunately closed 1948 01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:54,100 down and I'm not I'm not really sure you 1949 01:35:57,540 --> 01:35:55,930 know what they're doing now other than 1950 01:36:00,720 --> 01:35:57,550 that it's close but I'm not I don't 1951 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:00,730 think she's involved in the UFO subject 1952 01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:01,690 anymore though 1953 01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:04,510 and it isn't the internet great to have 1954 01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:07,600 this kind of connection just like this 1955 01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:10,719 immediately you know Kanak UK it's when 1956 01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:12,730 you grew up it's a small world man isn't 1957 01:36:20,189 --> 01:36:16,570 it it's getting smaller getting smaller 1958 01:36:22,170 --> 01:36:20,199 where I had one other question I'll get 1959 01:36:26,130 --> 01:36:22,180 back to Twitter here in a second 1960 01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:26,140 everybody I I promise you that going 1961 01:36:34,590 --> 01:36:29,910 back to the picking up where we left off 1962 01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:34,600 the there's one encounter one abduction 1963 01:36:38,630 --> 01:36:36,310 in the book well there's a bunch that 1964 01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:38,640 I've never heard of but it was the one 1965 01:36:45,660 --> 01:36:42,640 with a Jenny Randall the the more 1966 01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:45,670 encounter yeah I want to stay stay over 1967 01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,230 in the UK for a second that that is an 1968 01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:52,000 unbelievable case I'd never heard of it 1969 01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:52,960 tell us about it 1970 01:37:00,750 --> 01:36:55,210 oh yeah well the one you're talking 1971 01:37:04,170 --> 01:37:00,760 about goes back to 1987 and a large area 1972 01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:04,180 of moorland in the north of England and 1973 01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:07,540 one particular morning a guy was walking 1974 01:37:13,650 --> 01:37:11,650 across the moor and saw this like I keep 1975 01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,660 analogy score he kind of described it's 1976 01:37:17,689 --> 01:37:16,000 like a goblin type creature running 1977 01:37:20,729 --> 01:37:17,699 across the board like a like a small 1978 01:37:23,130 --> 01:37:20,739 humanoid type figure moving quite 1979 01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,140 quickly and he was just sort of frozen 1980 01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,360 to the spot you know as most people 1981 01:37:29,459 --> 01:37:27,760 probably would be you know and a sort of 1982 01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:29,469 8 o'clock in the morning you know 1983 01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:31,449 crossing the muck foggy Moors in England 1984 01:37:36,570 --> 01:37:34,000 and you see this strange humanoid figure 1985 01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:36,580 well he actually managed to snip a 1986 01:37:46,220 --> 01:37:39,600 photograph of it and which you can find 1987 01:37:48,590 --> 01:37:46,230 online and the the witness left the area 1988 01:37:50,300 --> 01:37:48,600 went back down to the to the the 1989 01:37:52,340 --> 01:37:50,310 lowlands and the local village and 1990 01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:52,350 realized that he was missing a 1991 01:37:59,300 --> 01:37:54,540 significant amount of time which he 1992 01:38:01,190 --> 01:37:59,310 could not account for now from there he 1993 01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:01,200 got really weird because just like Betty 1994 01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:04,170 and Barney Hill he began to have weird 1995 01:38:08,900 --> 01:38:06,090 dreams and nightmares particularly of 1996 01:38:11,780 --> 01:38:08,910 like nuclear war and like an apocalypse 1997 01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:11,790 that kind of thing as a lot of abductees 1998 01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:15,960 do report that kind of thing and now it 1999 01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:18,690 would have remained just as like a you 2000 01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:20,970 know an encounter with an entity and 2001 01:38:26,300 --> 01:38:24,540 then the creature was gone but as he 2002 01:38:30,260 --> 01:38:26,310 sort of dug into the story further 2003 01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:30,270 hypnosis it turned out but he was taken 2004 01:38:35,420 --> 01:38:32,460 on board this craft and basically you 2005 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:35,430 know had the same such a scenario that a 2006 01:38:40,180 --> 01:38:38,010 lot of other people report namely you 2007 01:38:44,150 --> 01:38:40,190 know you take it on board the craft 2008 01:38:47,060 --> 01:38:44,160 medical experiments and so on he got 2009 01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:47,070 even weirder when he said that late one 2010 01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:49,880 night there was a knock on the door and 2011 01:38:56,090 --> 01:38:54,060 two men identified themselves as working 2012 01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,100 for the British Ministry of Defence and 2013 01:39:01,370 --> 01:38:58,560 they wanted to speak to speak to him 2014 01:39:03,979 --> 01:39:01,380 about his experience and the weird thing 2015 01:39:06,770 --> 01:39:03,989 was that he had from a couple of UFO 2016 01:39:08,780 --> 01:39:06,780 researchers he hadn't told anybody about 2017 01:39:12,170 --> 01:39:08,790 this experience never mind you know 2018 01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:12,180 share his name and address etc but these 2019 01:39:18,170 --> 01:39:14,610 two men who called themselves Jefferson 2020 01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:18,180 and Davis although they claimed to be 2021 01:39:22,490 --> 01:39:19,290 from the British Ministry of Defence 2022 01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:22,500 they sounded far more like the classic 2023 01:39:29,060 --> 01:39:26,250 men in black you know that who sort of 2024 01:39:30,710 --> 01:39:29,070 look vaguely government like but you 2025 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:30,720 know there's always some weird aspects 2026 01:39:36,650 --> 01:39:33,930 to the story and and that was certainly 2027 01:39:40,430 --> 01:39:36,660 the case in this experience you know 2028 01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:40,440 they allegedly flash their Modi ID cards 2029 01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,360 but there was something about them that 2030 01:39:48,050 --> 01:39:44,400 just didn't seem right almost if they 2031 01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,060 weren't even fully human but they 2032 01:39:53,630 --> 01:39:50,400 essentially you know warned him not to 2033 01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:53,640 talk about the experience and the the 2034 01:39:58,760 --> 01:39:56,010 thrust of the interrogation if you like 2035 01:39:59,380 --> 01:39:58,770 was to trying for them to try and get 2036 01:40:03,730 --> 01:39:59,390 the photo 2037 01:40:06,970 --> 01:40:03,740 that each snapped and fortunately it 2038 01:40:09,130 --> 01:40:06,980 actually been handed over to a local UFO 2039 01:40:10,690 --> 01:40:09,140 researcher so he didn't even have it 2040 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:10,700 anymore but what's interesting is the 2041 01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:13,010 witness who preferred not to have his 2042 01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:15,650 name revealed to Jerry Randall's and 2043 01:40:19,690 --> 01:40:17,450 another researcher named Arthur 2044 01:40:22,090 --> 01:40:19,700 Tomlinson who was investigating it but 2045 01:40:24,220 --> 01:40:22,100 he they were able to prove that he 2046 01:40:26,440 --> 01:40:24,230 actually was a serving police officer 2047 01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:26,450 which was one of the reasons why he was 2048 01:40:32,140 --> 01:40:29,840 reluctant to go public with the story 2049 01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:32,150 I missed security with his name but he 2050 01:40:38,260 --> 01:40:35,210 was willing to share the story now 2051 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:38,270 interestingly enough Irene Irene bar to 2052 01:40:45,940 --> 01:40:41,770 the questioner from England brought up 2053 01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:45,950 she actually had Arthur Tomlinson speak 2054 01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:48,380 at one of her lectures once and Arthur 2055 01:40:54,910 --> 01:40:50,690 was one of the guys who investigated 2056 01:40:57,610 --> 01:40:54,920 this case very closely and when he spoke 2057 01:41:00,280 --> 01:40:57,620 at the Staffordshire UFO group round 2058 01:41:01,660 --> 01:41:00,290 about 1998 I had a chat with him and 2059 01:41:03,340 --> 01:41:01,670 told him you know I was interested in 2060 01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:03,350 this case and he actually shared with me 2061 01:41:09,220 --> 01:41:05,360 the real name of the police officer 2062 01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:09,230 which I agreed not to to put in the 2063 01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:11,210 public domain and you know his name is 2064 01:41:17,020 --> 01:41:12,650 still not being put in the public domain 2065 01:41:19,690 --> 01:41:17,030 but he's is who he claims to be and but 2066 01:41:22,510 --> 01:41:19,700 it was such a weird scenario you know of 2067 01:41:24,970 --> 01:41:22,520 him seeing this craft having this 2068 01:41:27,670 --> 01:41:24,980 experience and these two weird 2069 01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:27,680 characters in black turn up when he 2070 01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:29,630 hadn't even told anybody about the 2071 01:41:34,270 --> 01:41:31,900 encounter apart from a couple of 2072 01:41:36,660 --> 01:41:34,280 researchers so the big question was how 2073 01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:36,670 on earth did these alleged mo D people 2074 01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:40,490 suddenly know where to go to grill this 2075 01:41:45,970 --> 01:41:44,030 poor guy about his UFO encounter yeah in 2076 01:41:48,670 --> 01:41:45,980 the book when you talk about his real 2077 01:41:52,210 --> 01:41:48,680 name I kept waiting for it kept turning 2078 01:41:56,620 --> 01:41:52,220 pages right but you didn't do it and and 2079 01:42:00,190 --> 01:41:56,630 you showed that respect let's let's go 2080 01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:00,200 back for a second when we are talking 2081 01:42:06,340 --> 01:42:03,530 about so many abduction cases of which 2082 01:42:08,890 --> 01:42:06,350 there's probably millions right there's 2083 01:42:11,070 --> 01:42:08,900 a lot of this going on certainly not 2084 01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:11,080 everybody can be crazy 2085 01:42:16,140 --> 01:42:13,120 there's the this is a real phenomenon 2086 01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:16,150 but who was doing it as you've compiled 2087 01:42:23,460 --> 01:42:19,510 these these cases and have looked at it 2088 01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:23,470 is it consistently one race of aliens 2089 01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:24,310 and 2090 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:27,760 ETS or is it is it across the board who 2091 01:42:32,730 --> 01:42:29,370 is doing these abductions 2092 01:42:35,340 --> 01:42:32,740 well predominantly you know in nearly 2093 01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:35,350 all the abduction cases people report 2094 01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:38,140 seeing the sort of classic little greys 2095 01:42:44,370 --> 01:42:40,000 you know the big heads the black eyes 2096 01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:44,380 sort of vaguely insect like they are 2097 01:42:48,750 --> 01:42:45,760 typically the ones that do the 2098 01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:48,760 abductions and they do the medical 2099 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:51,130 experiments and so on but there are some 2100 01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:53,410 cases where people have said that in 2101 01:42:57,690 --> 01:42:55,720 society the room sort of looking from 2102 01:43:01,940 --> 01:42:57,700 you know by the wall people have talked 2103 01:43:04,860 --> 01:43:01,950 about seeing like a like a more spindly 2104 01:43:07,620 --> 01:43:04,870 insect like like a so-called praying 2105 01:43:09,930 --> 01:43:07,630 mantis type of alien that's it sometimes 2106 01:43:12,060 --> 01:43:09,940 people report seeing those on board the 2107 01:43:14,850 --> 01:43:12,070 craft as well almost as if they're sort 2108 01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:14,860 of monitoring the abduction then you 2109 01:43:20,610 --> 01:43:17,950 also get in some cases so-called 2110 01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:20,620 reptilian type creatures on board as 2111 01:43:26,940 --> 01:43:23,890 well but there's no doubt that the you 2112 01:43:28,980 --> 01:43:26,950 know the gray type is the the overriding 2113 01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:28,990 one that just about everybody talks 2114 01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:31,450 about what what are they doing it for 2115 01:43:36,690 --> 01:43:35,260 and now we've gotten the reports you 2116 01:43:39,780 --> 01:43:36,700 know going back to Betty and Barney Hill 2117 01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,790 and and we mentioned Betty and Barney so 2118 01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:41,440 much because it's just so well 2119 01:43:47,490 --> 01:43:44,080 documented the the case with the 2120 01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:47,500 regression and and for them to have such 2121 01:43:53,610 --> 01:43:51,850 a not only a recalled memory but the the 2122 01:43:58,320 --> 01:43:53,620 memory that they had leading up to it 2123 01:44:03,090 --> 01:43:58,330 that wasn't part of an erased mind if 2124 01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:03,100 you will but what what is the purpose of 2125 01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:07,090 it we have lots of medical things that 2126 01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:09,940 are going on and and other what's the 2127 01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:12,910 what's the reason for it well there are 2128 01:44:17,580 --> 01:44:14,710 there are various theories to explain 2129 01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,590 why these things whatever you want to 2130 01:44:22,700 --> 01:44:20,320 call them aliens or multi-dimensional 2131 01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:22,710 things or whatever they are you know 2132 01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:24,880 when you sort of look at the 2133 01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,370 Dalby the cases you know there are 2134 01:44:31,770 --> 01:44:28,960 different theories that have been put 2135 01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,780 forward now you have the one theory that 2136 01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:34,080 the the so-called greys are on a 2137 01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:37,480 evolutionary decline and so they kind of 2138 01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:42,730 harvest cells DNA etc to try and boost 2139 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:45,400 their own species and that if that's 2140 01:44:50,879 --> 01:44:48,010 true you know that would suggest that we 2141 01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:50,889 are so close to them genetically that 2142 01:44:56,300 --> 01:44:53,440 they can do that which suggests maybe 2143 01:44:59,490 --> 01:44:56,310 some sort of lineage between us somehow 2144 01:45:02,129 --> 01:44:59,500 then you have some of the more sinister 2145 01:45:04,590 --> 01:45:02,139 theories or the sinister theory where 2146 01:45:06,959 --> 01:45:04,600 people talk about being implanted with 2147 01:45:10,919 --> 01:45:06,969 these strange little implants under the 2148 01:45:12,750 --> 01:45:10,929 skin now some people take the view that 2149 01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:12,760 this is benevolence and that what's 2150 01:45:16,830 --> 01:45:14,710 going on it's you know they're sort of 2151 01:45:20,370 --> 01:45:16,840 tracking devices that allow the aliens 2152 01:45:22,979 --> 01:45:20,380 to track the the abductees the more 2153 01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:22,989 controversial theory is that people are 2154 01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,850 being abducted with these implants and 2155 01:45:29,939 --> 01:45:26,800 which will one day be switched on and 2156 01:45:31,740 --> 01:45:29,949 they'll be sort of an entire you know 2157 01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:31,750 body all around the world of sort of 2158 01:45:37,020 --> 01:45:34,090 Manchurian candidates switched on to 2159 01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:37,030 perform specific tasks for the aliens 2160 01:45:40,979 --> 01:45:39,370 you know and if that's true and I said 2161 01:45:43,140 --> 01:45:40,989 it is that's one of the theories you 2162 01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:43,150 know that would be quite sinister and 2163 01:45:48,540 --> 01:45:45,489 disturbing as well you know the idea at 2164 01:45:51,110 --> 01:45:48,550 the flick of a switch so to speak you 2165 01:45:53,790 --> 01:45:51,120 know you'd have this sort of entire 2166 01:46:00,360 --> 01:45:53,800 robots off be like you know zombie look 2167 01:46:02,459 --> 01:46:00,370 controlled abductees you know the if if 2168 01:46:05,970 --> 01:46:02,469 these are happening is frequently as 2169 01:46:08,970 --> 01:46:05,980 they are reported it would seem that 2170 01:46:11,310 --> 01:46:08,980 these treaties or agreements with our 2171 01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:11,320 own government are real and they our 2172 01:46:16,140 --> 01:46:13,510 government is allowing this 2173 01:46:18,450 --> 01:46:16,150 experimentation in these abductions to 2174 01:46:21,689 --> 01:46:18,460 happen I know that you talk about this 2175 01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:21,699 in the book but this is this is we keep 2176 01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:24,130 saying sinister over and over again but 2177 01:46:28,979 --> 01:46:27,040 you know it's like holy crap right well 2178 01:46:32,399 --> 01:46:28,989 you know one of the reasons why I call 2179 01:46:36,419 --> 01:46:32,409 it sinister because because it actually 2180 01:46:38,010 --> 01:46:36,429 is sinister you know it's like yeah if 2181 01:46:43,290 --> 01:46:38,020 you think about it 2182 01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:43,300 it's being sort of kidnapped abducted 2183 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:44,890 against their will 2184 01:46:50,370 --> 01:46:47,650 subjected to medical experiments that we 2185 01:46:52,890 --> 01:46:50,380 don't really know the reason for people 2186 01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:52,900 talking about implants and the only 2187 01:46:58,230 --> 01:46:55,510 response we get from the greys is sort 2188 01:46:59,760 --> 01:46:58,240 of like a telly telepathic message don't 2189 01:47:03,570 --> 01:46:59,770 worry it's for your own good 2190 01:47:07,890 --> 01:47:03,580 well you know that doesn't really sort 2191 01:47:11,730 --> 01:47:07,900 of give me a great deal of you know warm 2192 01:47:14,940 --> 01:47:11,740 for him before he really idea I think 2193 01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:14,950 you know to just take these entities at 2194 01:47:20,220 --> 01:47:18,010 their word when we don't really know why 2195 01:47:23,940 --> 01:47:20,230 they're doing it they say it's for you 2196 01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:23,950 know well-being you mean you have other 2197 01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:26,290 really sort of almost like esoteric 2198 01:47:32,730 --> 01:47:29,230 theories as well for example a guy named 2199 01:47:36,170 --> 01:47:32,740 Nigel Koerner wrote two books on the 2200 01:47:38,700 --> 01:47:36,180 possibility that the greys are sort of 2201 01:47:40,140 --> 01:47:38,710 create not living entities as we 2202 01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:40,150 understand it was sort of like 2203 01:47:46,290 --> 01:47:43,360 biological robots which lack souls and 2204 01:47:49,770 --> 01:47:46,300 he believes in his two books songs of 2205 01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:49,780 songs of the greys and I forget what the 2206 01:47:53,970 --> 01:47:51,310 other ones called now but it's Nigel 2207 01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:53,980 Koerner he believes or concludes that 2208 01:48:00,960 --> 01:47:58,050 the the greys are somehow trying to 2209 01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:00,970 understand the human soul and if they 2210 01:48:07,950 --> 01:48:04,570 could understand it and sort of harvest 2211 01:48:09,900 --> 01:48:07,960 it then they could potentially have sort 2212 01:48:14,130 --> 01:48:09,910 of immortality rather than just being 2213 01:48:15,930 --> 01:48:14,140 biologically created robots with a sort 2214 01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:15,940 of biological robots with a limited 2215 01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:18,550 lifespan so that that goes down really 2216 01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,010 you know dark and disturbing pathways 2217 01:48:26,670 --> 01:48:23,920 the idea that they're interested in thee 2218 01:48:31,250 --> 01:48:26,680 or obsessed with the human self as a 2219 01:48:33,780 --> 01:48:31,260 means to sort of and sure they have 2220 01:48:36,660 --> 01:48:33,790 immortality if you like and sort of 2221 01:48:39,420 --> 01:48:36,670 splicing the human soul in some way with 2222 01:48:41,550 --> 01:48:39,430 the greys and Nigel's books are very you 2223 01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,560 know when you read them you know keep 2224 01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:44,080 your awake at night but the fact is you 2225 01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:45,930 know there are a lot of cases where 2226 01:48:50,820 --> 01:48:48,400 abductees have said they felt their soul 2227 01:48:51,629 --> 01:48:50,830 or their life force was being sort of 2228 01:48:53,549 --> 01:48:51,639 ripped 2229 01:48:55,709 --> 01:48:53,559 to that body and they had like 2230 01:48:59,549 --> 01:48:55,719 out-of-body experiences in the abduction 2231 01:49:02,489 --> 01:48:59,559 are they limited to we always picture 2232 01:49:04,319 --> 01:49:02,499 right the the lonely car out on the road 2233 01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:04,329 like Betty and Barney Hill we keep going 2234 01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:06,070 back to that you know out in the middle 2235 01:49:13,290 --> 01:49:08,729 of the desert or out in the country is 2236 01:49:15,540 --> 01:49:13,300 is how many are like that or do they 2237 01:49:19,049 --> 01:49:15,550 happen in the middle of downtown Chicago 2238 01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,059 as well yeah well for the vast majority 2239 01:49:24,569 --> 01:49:21,280 of the reports are when paying for in 2240 01:49:27,029 --> 01:49:24,579 isolated places and I think that that's 2241 01:49:29,819 --> 01:49:27,039 an interesting thing because it suggests 2242 01:49:32,609 --> 01:49:29,829 that maybe they even for ever advanced 2243 01:49:34,919 --> 01:49:32,619 they are they're limited you know that 2244 01:49:37,409 --> 01:49:34,929 they're not able to like you said you 2245 01:49:39,389 --> 01:49:37,419 know just abduct someone from downtown 2246 01:49:41,279 --> 01:49:39,399 Chicago 11 in the morning you know 2247 01:49:44,939 --> 01:49:41,289 someone's just going to Starbucks or 2248 01:49:47,310 --> 01:49:44,949 whatever I think this demonstrates that 2249 01:49:50,370 --> 01:49:47,320 they are limited in how they have the 2250 01:49:53,310 --> 01:49:50,380 ability to do the abductions now you 2251 01:49:55,319 --> 01:49:53,320 know when you talk about sort of vehicle 2252 01:49:59,399 --> 01:49:55,329 abductions I mean there's a fascinating 2253 01:50:01,259 --> 01:49:59,409 one from 1959 but I talk about a guy 2254 01:50:02,909 --> 01:50:01,269 named Jerry Erwin who was an American 2255 01:50:06,449 --> 01:50:02,919 soldier at the time this is February 2256 01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:06,459 1959 and he was driving to Fort Bliss 2257 01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:10,090 Texas of Idaho and he saw the strange 2258 01:50:14,370 --> 01:50:12,760 light in the sky came down from the sky 2259 01:50:16,469 --> 01:50:14,380 and he thought it could be a plane 2260 01:50:18,330 --> 01:50:16,479 coming down you know having a fault and 2261 01:50:20,909 --> 01:50:18,340 it was gonna crash to the ground so 2262 01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:20,919 parked his vehicle left to know for 2263 01:50:24,179 --> 01:50:22,510 something anybody coming along saying 2264 01:50:27,060 --> 01:50:24,189 you know gone to check on a possible 2265 01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:27,070 plane crash next thing he knew he was in 2266 01:50:37,739 --> 01:50:31,530 a hospital in Utah and just outside 2267 01:50:39,359 --> 01:50:37,749 Cedar City Utah and the files on Jerry's 2268 01:50:40,620 --> 01:50:39,369 case are now in the public domain have 2269 01:50:42,299 --> 01:50:40,630 been released through the Freedom 2270 01:50:46,669 --> 01:50:42,309 Information Act and they talked about 2271 01:50:49,770 --> 01:50:46,679 how in March 59 just a week or so after 2272 01:50:53,759 --> 01:50:49,780 he was seen by a captain Valentine who 2273 01:50:56,100 --> 01:50:53,769 was a military psychiatrist who spent a 2274 01:50:58,409 --> 01:50:56,110 lot of time with Jerry trying to get to 2275 01:51:00,359 --> 01:50:58,419 the bottom of this weird case where you 2276 01:51:03,089 --> 01:51:00,369 know he brought his car to the side of 2277 01:51:04,700 --> 01:51:03,099 the road and the next thing he knew you 2278 01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:04,710 know he was 2279 01:51:10,300 --> 01:51:06,330 somewhere else and then he was taken to 2280 01:51:15,170 --> 01:51:10,310 the hospital and the captain Valentine's 2281 01:51:17,630 --> 01:51:15,180 report said read eerily like a lowly 2282 01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:17,640 description of an abduction you know 2283 01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:21,050 with the the issue with the car and 2284 01:51:25,970 --> 01:51:23,489 Jerry are we not really wanted to talk 2285 01:51:27,650 --> 01:51:25,980 about this but intimating that there was 2286 01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:27,660 more far more to the story that went 2287 01:51:30,979 --> 01:51:29,730 back to his childhood which is 2288 01:51:32,810 --> 01:51:30,989 interesting because a lot of the 2289 01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:32,820 abduction stories you know starting 2290 01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:35,760 childhood and go through people's lives 2291 01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:38,730 so you know the the the Utah story of 2292 01:51:43,340 --> 01:51:41,370 Jerry Erwin he's a very interesting one 2293 01:51:46,820 --> 01:51:43,350 and a classic example of how these 2294 01:51:50,780 --> 01:51:46,830 things seem to prefer to abduct people 2295 01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:50,790 in isolated locations like long lonely 2296 01:51:57,979 --> 01:51:53,250 roads like he was on and specifically at 2297 01:52:01,310 --> 01:51:57,989 night as well yeah and there I have had 2298 01:52:04,340 --> 01:52:01,320 weird things go down right here in in 2299 01:52:07,940 --> 01:52:04,350 Los Angeles and and I thought to myself 2300 01:52:09,470 --> 01:52:07,950 Nick I I literally went to the window 2301 01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:09,480 this is like 3 o'clock in the morning 2302 01:52:16,340 --> 01:52:12,560 and looked out expecting to see 2303 01:52:17,900 --> 01:52:16,350 something above my condo I'm thinking 2304 01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:17,910 about how could this be well you know 2305 01:52:22,430 --> 01:52:21,030 this is Los Angeles but what happened 2306 01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:22,440 happened I'm not saying I was abducted 2307 01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:24,719 let's not go there well not that I know 2308 01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:28,800 of but what happened happened and it 2309 01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:31,980 happened in a very populated area how 2310 01:52:36,860 --> 01:52:34,290 many times has this happened did you 2311 01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:36,870 find a case where somebody was abducted 2312 01:52:41,930 --> 01:52:38,610 from an apartment building in in New 2313 01:52:43,550 --> 01:52:41,940 York City oh yeah I mean there are you 2314 01:52:47,450 --> 01:52:43,560 know I wouldn't I wouldn't say they're 2315 01:52:48,860 --> 01:52:47,460 all sort of you know lonely night 3 a.m. 2316 01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:48,870 in the morning you know going through 2317 01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:51,030 the woods or whatever it's not like 2318 01:52:56,090 --> 01:52:54,000 always like that but certainly you know 2319 01:52:59,470 --> 01:52:56,100 there are a number of cases but I mean 2320 01:53:04,010 --> 01:52:59,480 as a perfect example of another one that 2321 01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:04,020 actually occurred in the middle of the 2322 01:53:10,250 --> 01:53:07,610 night but see in in a very built-up area 2323 01:53:14,690 --> 01:53:10,260 there's a case from Chesapeake Virginia 2324 01:53:18,090 --> 01:53:14,700 in January 1967 now what's interesting 2325 01:53:20,820 --> 01:53:18,100 about this particular case is that the 2326 01:53:23,490 --> 01:53:20,830 a summary orbit you can find online at 2327 01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:23,500 the FBI's website website the FBI have a 2328 01:53:29,060 --> 01:53:26,530 website called the vault and if you go 2329 01:53:32,370 --> 01:53:29,070 to the vault website you can go to the 2330 01:53:35,490 --> 01:53:32,380 FBI speak classified UFO FILES there's 2331 01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:35,500 about two thousand pages and one of 2332 01:53:41,490 --> 01:53:37,870 those documents talks about in a summary 2333 01:53:45,060 --> 01:53:41,500 form this January 1967 Chesapeake 2334 01:53:49,170 --> 01:53:45,070 Virginia case and involves a guy who was 2335 01:53:52,050 --> 01:53:49,180 a TV repair guy and he was driving home 2336 01:53:54,660 --> 01:53:52,060 at night in Chesapeake you know so we're 2337 01:54:00,510 --> 01:53:54,670 not talking about some isolated location 2338 01:54:02,700 --> 01:54:00,520 and he had a vague memory of being taken 2339 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:02,710 on board some sort of craft which 2340 01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:04,570 weirdly enough he described as having 2341 01:54:10,020 --> 01:54:06,360 from the inside sort of like a 2342 01:54:12,060 --> 01:54:10,030 transparent walls and you know you could 2343 01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:12,070 actually see in and out well when you're 2344 01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:13,930 inside you could see out but when you're 2345 01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:16,090 outside you couldn't see in and this is 2346 01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:18,250 actually similar to something that 2347 01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:20,560 Travis Walton described in his 2348 01:54:25,620 --> 01:54:22,330 experience that it was like a 2349 01:54:29,130 --> 01:54:25,630 translucent glass like wall now he 2350 01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:29,140 described these entities that he saw on 2351 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:32,560 the way home ingesting Chesapeake as 2352 01:54:38,340 --> 01:54:36,010 being very small sort of round about 2353 01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:38,350 three to four feet tall and he had no 2354 01:54:43,980 --> 01:54:40,930 recollection from 8:00 p.m. till 4:00 2355 01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:43,990 a.m. until the story started to come 2356 01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:46,510 back to him so you know this is a case 2357 01:54:51,420 --> 01:54:48,730 yes it was late at night yes it was the 2358 01:54:53,790 --> 01:54:51,430 early hours but it but it was Chesapeake 2359 01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:53,800 Virginia we're not talking about you 2360 01:54:57,930 --> 01:54:56,020 know the wilds of Canada or somewhere 2361 01:55:00,900 --> 01:54:57,940 like that you know the Pacific Northwest 2362 01:55:04,260 --> 01:55:00,910 woods but what's interesting about this 2363 01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:04,270 case is that I wrote about this case a 2364 01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:06,610 couple of years ago in an article for 2365 01:55:13,050 --> 01:55:11,410 mysterious universe and as often happens 2366 01:55:15,300 --> 01:55:13,060 you know you get feedback from the 2367 01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:15,310 readers and one of the people who 2368 01:55:20,580 --> 01:55:17,230 responded to this was actually the 2369 01:55:23,250 --> 01:55:20,590 granddaughter of the guy whose story I 2370 01:55:25,670 --> 01:55:23,260 mentioned and which had been extracted 2371 01:55:28,500 --> 01:55:25,680 from the FBI file and she was amazed 2372 01:55:31,110 --> 01:55:28,510 that they you know that there was 2373 01:55:31,970 --> 01:55:31,120 actually like this summary file held by 2374 01:55:34,850 --> 01:55:31,980 the FBI 2375 01:55:38,030 --> 01:55:34,860 and on there on the website and we got 2376 01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:38,040 talking and finally actually got got a 2377 01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:40,410 chance to meet and she brought all these 2378 01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:42,239 pictures out of her dad you know outside 2379 01:55:46,370 --> 01:55:44,400 you know with his arms folded outside of 2380 01:55:48,620 --> 01:55:46,380 his TV repair shop and everything and 2381 01:55:50,510 --> 01:55:48,630 you know he clearly was that you know 2382 01:55:54,290 --> 01:55:50,520 the right guy but what was interesting 2383 01:55:56,450 --> 01:55:54,300 is the summary of the FBI report just 2384 01:55:59,090 --> 01:55:56,460 talks about him being taken on board 2385 01:56:02,420 --> 01:55:59,100 this craft having appeared of 8:00 p.m. 2386 01:56:04,220 --> 01:56:02,430 to 4:00 a.m. of missing time and being 2387 01:56:07,130 --> 01:56:04,230 surrounded by these small creatures now 2388 01:56:10,970 --> 01:56:07,140 when I spoke to his granddaughter she 2389 01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:10,980 told me a really strange story of how 2390 01:56:16,010 --> 01:56:14,130 two Air Force intelligence operatives 2391 01:56:17,479 --> 01:56:16,020 visited him there was there was no 2392 01:56:20,090 --> 01:56:17,489 threats nothing like that it wasn't 2393 01:56:24,110 --> 01:56:20,100 anything disturbing they just basically 2394 01:56:26,780 --> 01:56:24,120 said you know we've been informed of 2395 01:56:28,670 --> 01:56:26,790 your experience and can you share or are 2396 01:56:33,530 --> 01:56:28,680 you willing to share with us you know 2397 01:56:35,180 --> 01:56:33,540 the data and what you can recall and he 2398 01:56:36,590 --> 01:56:35,190 was happy to do that you know invited 2399 01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:36,600 them in they've sat down and had coffee 2400 01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:40,170 and he told the story driving home saw 2401 01:56:44,770 --> 01:56:42,960 these strange craft and so on and they 2402 01:56:47,180 --> 01:56:44,780 asked a lot of interesting questions 2403 01:56:50,150 --> 01:56:47,190 also along the lines of did he have any 2404 01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:50,160 weird dreams afterwards particularly 2405 01:56:54,710 --> 01:56:53,130 dreams of like worldwide disasters and 2406 01:56:57,200 --> 01:56:54,720 things like this and bear in mind this 2407 01:56:59,240 --> 01:56:57,210 was 67 you know those are the sorts of 2408 01:57:01,430 --> 01:56:59,250 things that started to crop up in 2409 01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:01,440 ufology in the 70s and 80s and the 90s 2410 01:57:06,890 --> 01:57:04,530 this apocalyptic dream angle the 2411 01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:06,900 abductees had but the airport seemed to 2412 01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:09,210 have knowledge of that back then now 2413 01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:11,850 this was sort of very relaxed you know 2414 01:57:15,979 --> 01:57:13,650 situation where you know they're just 2415 01:57:18,979 --> 01:57:15,989 hoping you would help and he said he 2416 01:57:22,130 --> 01:57:18,989 would be happy to help and but what was 2417 01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:22,140 weird was that shortly after that he 2418 01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:25,410 then with the TV repair guy he started 2419 01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:28,080 to report that he was being followed he 2420 01:57:34,580 --> 01:57:30,960 told his granny's mother screaming his 2421 01:57:36,710 --> 01:57:34,590 wife the girl's mother that he's being 2422 01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:36,720 followed by this guy in a black suit and 2423 01:57:42,860 --> 01:57:39,210 it wasn't like a normal guy sort of 2424 01:57:44,810 --> 01:57:42,870 black so black fedora very tall it's a 2425 01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:44,820 really pale skin and 2426 01:57:50,660 --> 01:57:48,330 very skinny and and he was clearly she 2427 01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:50,670 was describing one of the weirder men in 2428 01:57:54,500 --> 01:57:52,650 black types that john cale wrote about 2429 01:57:59,120 --> 01:57:54,510 in like for example the Mothman 2430 01:58:02,780 --> 01:57:59,130 Prophecies and so what began for me as 2431 01:58:06,530 --> 01:58:02,790 just this literally like a one-page FBI 2432 01:58:09,740 --> 01:58:06,540 documents at the FBI's website led to me 2433 01:58:12,230 --> 01:58:09,750 to speak with his granddaughter and then 2434 01:58:14,750 --> 01:58:12,240 it turns into another story of an 2435 01:58:17,090 --> 01:58:14,760 interview sort of clandestine interview 2436 01:58:19,670 --> 01:58:17,100 with an Air Force two Air Force officers 2437 01:58:22,370 --> 01:58:19,680 and then being followed by this creepy 2438 01:58:24,230 --> 01:58:22,380 man in black all because of this period 2439 01:58:26,930 --> 01:58:24,240 of missing time as he was driving home 2440 01:58:29,420 --> 01:58:26,940 from Chesapeake so you know that 2441 01:58:31,490 --> 01:58:29,430 demonstrates how a story if it starts as 2442 01:58:34,700 --> 01:58:31,500 pretty much nothing at all you know 2443 01:58:37,010 --> 01:58:34,710 expands into something of huge size you 2444 01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:37,020 know let's take a break right here Nick 2445 01:58:41,210 --> 01:58:38,970 and we'll continue this when we come 2446 01:58:44,390 --> 01:58:41,220 back and we got to talk about Whitley 2447 01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:44,400 we'll do that also Dulce and you know 2448 01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:48,210 what just New Mexico in general what is 2449 01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:49,290 going on there 2450 01:58:53,210 --> 01:58:51,210 this is fade to black our guest tonight 2451 01:58:53,580 --> 01:58:53,220 Nick Redfern stay with us we'll be right 2452 01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:53,590 back 2453 01:59:08,230 --> 01:58:59,920 [Music] 2454 01:59:11,140 --> 01:59:08,240 on radio this is kera digital 2455 01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:11,150 broadcasting station Salt Lake City Utah 2456 01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:14,690 Van Buren Arkansas poor water quality is 2457 01:59:17,410 --> 01:59:16,400 a major health issue and it's only 2458 01:59:19,300 --> 01:59:17,420 getting 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GRA the Global Radio 2557 02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:41,060 Alliance 2558 02:03:55,640 --> 02:03:53,780 welcome back fade the black I'm here 2559 02:03:58,100 --> 02:03:55,650 Jimmy Church I love it when Nick Redfern 2560 02:04:01,010 --> 02:03:58,110 is on the show I get to talk a little 2561 02:04:02,980 --> 02:04:01,020 music we didn't get food in yet but a 2562 02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:02,990 little heavy metal little punk rock 2563 02:04:13,220 --> 02:04:07,770 right Nick we didn't even talk about you 2564 02:04:15,020 --> 02:04:13,230 know like Birmingham but but I love it 2565 02:04:18,740 --> 02:04:15,030 you know see the thing is and I know 2566 02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:18,750 that you've you've been a part of this 2567 02:04:26,030 --> 02:04:23,250 concept of being who you are you are you 2568 02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:26,040 you like your music right you love your 2569 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:28,320 your punk rock your heavy metal and 2570 02:04:32,180 --> 02:04:29,850 that's look but you know part of who you 2571 02:04:33,740 --> 02:04:32,190 wear the shirts you you you play the 2572 02:04:37,430 --> 02:04:33,750 part you look the part but you talk 2573 02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:37,440 about it and you're not you know you're 2574 02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:39,810 not an illusion you are exactly who you 2575 02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:41,610 are and you we're proud and I just want 2576 02:04:47,540 --> 02:04:45,090 thank you for that it's tough well you 2577 02:04:50,930 --> 02:04:47,550 know I just I know I am you know I've 2578 02:04:54,500 --> 02:04:50,940 got like 200 t-shirts five biker jackets 2579 02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:54,510 and I don't even own like a regular I 2580 02:05:01,310 --> 02:04:57,360 don't own a collared shirt or a tie only 2581 02:05:03,530 --> 02:05:01,320 tree don't own anything and Friday this 2582 02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:03,540 Friday night I'm going to see Doyle from 2583 02:05:11,420 --> 02:05:06,570 The Misfits he's cleaner my solo show in 2584 02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:11,430 Dallas oh man are you kidding I don't 2585 02:05:18,950 --> 02:05:14,880 club called trees in Dallas how does 2586 02:05:21,110 --> 02:05:18,960 Doyle these days does just the same you 2587 02:05:23,810 --> 02:05:21,120 know he still got his mohair style we 2588 02:05:25,670 --> 02:05:23,820 like you know the the point push pushing 2589 02:05:28,850 --> 02:05:25,680 off them from the front of his head and 2590 02:05:31,490 --> 02:05:28,860 yeah he plays like a combination of his 2591 02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:31,500 new stuff and mixes it up with about 2592 02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:34,560 nine or ten misfits songs as well how 2593 02:05:41,300 --> 02:05:38,730 old is he and he's probably like early 2594 02:05:43,010 --> 02:05:41,310 fifties something like that yeah yeah 2595 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:43,020 he's not that old compared to some of 2596 02:05:46,070 --> 02:05:44,010 the other you know the original 2597 02:05:48,350 --> 02:05:46,080 misstates because he was only like he 2598 02:05:49,970 --> 02:05:48,360 was actually still at school when he 2599 02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:49,980 joined the band that's right that's 2600 02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:51,690 right that's right yeah you're 2601 02:05:56,150 --> 02:05:53,490 absolutely right they were already a 2602 02:05:57,740 --> 02:05:56,160 generation above him yeah that's that I 2603 02:06:01,640 --> 02:05:57,750 guess that's right I didn't even think 2604 02:06:03,230 --> 02:06:01,650 about it that way what you spend a whole 2605 02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:03,240 chapter 2606 02:06:13,310 --> 02:06:10,290 Dulce I've got to I got to go right 2607 02:06:15,980 --> 02:06:13,320 there what is going on in New Mexico 2608 02:06:18,070 --> 02:06:15,990 certainly we have Roswell but that can't 2609 02:06:21,170 --> 02:06:18,080 be the reason why or is it 2610 02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:21,180 well I mean you know New Mexico has a 2611 02:06:26,570 --> 02:06:24,210 lot of weird UFO stories attached to it 2612 02:06:29,780 --> 02:06:26,580 and also abduction stories attached to 2613 02:06:33,970 --> 02:06:29,790 it now you know if you go back to the 2614 02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:33,980 early 90 to mid-1970s you had the whole 2615 02:06:39,710 --> 02:06:37,410 black helicopter phenomenon kicked off 2616 02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:39,720 in conjunction with the cattle 2617 02:06:46,250 --> 02:06:44,400 mutilation phenomenon as well and so you 2618 02:06:49,130 --> 02:06:46,260 know the big question is who's flying 2619 02:06:52,010 --> 02:06:49,140 these black helicopters and why now 2620 02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:52,020 there's clearly evidence that whoever's 2621 02:06:57,800 --> 02:06:54,810 flying them is monitoring the alien 2622 02:07:00,830 --> 02:06:57,810 excuse me the cattle mutilations but 2623 02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:00,840 they're also a significant number of 2624 02:07:05,300 --> 02:07:02,880 cases from not just around the world but 2625 02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:05,310 specifically from New Mexico where 2626 02:07:12,620 --> 02:07:09,360 abductees have been reporting seeing 2627 02:07:16,130 --> 02:07:12,630 these black helicopters over their homes 2628 02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:16,140 it's almost like precariously close as 2629 02:07:21,950 --> 02:07:18,570 if they're monitoring the activities of 2630 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:21,960 the abductees or possibly trying to even 2631 02:07:27,070 --> 02:07:25,050 see an abduction take place as it occurs 2632 02:07:30,170 --> 02:07:27,080 you know there's good evidence that 2633 02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:30,180 these black helicopters are part of some 2634 02:07:35,980 --> 02:07:32,490 sort of unit that is monitoring the 2635 02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:35,990 abductees and it's a fact that 2636 02:07:42,890 --> 02:07:39,810 particularly from sort of 75 to about 80 2637 02:07:45,170 --> 02:07:42,900 or there abouts there were literally 2638 02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:45,180 dozens and dozens of stories of these 2639 02:07:49,940 --> 02:07:47,520 black helicopters flying around northern 2640 02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:49,950 New Mexico where they'd be abduction 2641 02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:53,280 cases and particularly around the Dulce 2642 02:08:00,320 --> 02:07:55,650 New Mexico area now for people who know 2643 02:08:02,570 --> 02:08:00,330 their UFO history Dulce has this strange 2644 02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:02,580 and controversial story attached to it 2645 02:08:09,410 --> 02:08:07,050 of how supposedly there's an alien base 2646 02:08:12,890 --> 02:08:09,420 under the the Mesa which called the 2647 02:08:14,930 --> 02:08:12,900 Archuleta Mesa in Dulce and all sorts of 2648 02:08:17,479 --> 02:08:14,940 weird rumors of 2649 02:08:20,450 --> 02:08:17,489 sort of hostile aliens kidnapping people 2650 02:08:23,930 --> 02:08:20,460 and them taking them to vast underground 2651 02:08:26,060 --> 02:08:23,940 caverns in Dulce and experimenting on 2652 02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:26,070 them and all sorts of weird stuff now 2653 02:08:32,530 --> 02:08:29,250 the big question of course is are those 2654 02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:32,540 stories real or are they disinformation 2655 02:08:37,490 --> 02:08:35,610 to try and make the whole phenomenon 2656 02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:37,500 look too over-the-top 2657 02:08:41,540 --> 02:08:39,840 so people walk away from it you know 2658 02:08:43,459 --> 02:08:41,550 concern that it's they're getting 2659 02:08:45,860 --> 02:08:43,469 involved in something that's just you 2660 02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:45,870 know beyond what they feel comfortable 2661 02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:48,690 looking into but there's no doubt that 2662 02:08:52,459 --> 02:08:50,370 whatever you you know whether you 2663 02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:52,469 believe the stories or not the fact is 2664 02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:55,199 that significant numbers of cattle 2665 02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:57,360 mutilations and significant numbers of 2666 02:09:03,229 --> 02:09:00,719 black helicopters have all been saying 2667 02:09:06,580 --> 02:09:03,239 in and around the Dulce area so 2668 02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:06,590 something is going on that disappear too 2669 02:09:12,110 --> 02:09:09,810 habit I in with the black helicopter 2670 02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:12,120 phenomenon now and then there's 2671 02:09:15,260 --> 02:09:13,770 everything else that goes along with 2672 02:09:18,830 --> 02:09:15,270 that I want to stay with this for a 2673 02:09:23,540 --> 02:09:18,840 second there's not only mutilations 2674 02:09:25,939 --> 02:09:23,550 there's reports of human mutilations and 2675 02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:25,949 and going into that zone is 2676 02:09:31,700 --> 02:09:29,760 uncomfortable for a lot of us too to 2677 02:09:33,470 --> 02:09:31,710 contemplate think about and even discuss 2678 02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:33,480 but this is something that is is very 2679 02:09:39,979 --> 02:09:37,050 very real well yeah and I mean a lot of 2680 02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:39,989 this story came out from Paul bennewitz 2681 02:09:47,570 --> 02:09:42,570 who was someone in the late seventies 2682 02:09:49,939 --> 02:09:47,580 Benowitz had a a company called Thunder 2683 02:09:53,180 --> 02:09:49,949 which actually backed onto Kirtland Air 2684 02:09:55,340 --> 02:09:53,190 Force Base in Albuquerque and he did a 2685 02:09:59,000 --> 02:09:55,350 contract work for the Air Force at 2686 02:10:01,910 --> 02:09:59,010 Kirtland Air Force Base and over time he 2687 02:10:03,890 --> 02:10:01,920 would see strange objects flying over 2688 02:10:06,500 --> 02:10:03,900 Kirtland Air Force Base and he came to 2689 02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:06,510 believe that they were extraterrestrial 2690 02:10:13,970 --> 02:10:10,770 craft and he made the fatal mistake of 2691 02:10:16,459 --> 02:10:13,980 sort of contacting the Air Force and 2692 02:10:18,650 --> 02:10:16,469 other agencies and telling them what he 2693 02:10:22,220 --> 02:10:18,660 saw and so they then turned their 2694 02:10:26,270 --> 02:10:22,230 attentions to him and what happened from 2695 02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:26,280 there was that the somebody did not want 2696 02:10:30,890 --> 02:10:28,650 Benowitz to get any further in 2697 02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:30,900 to what it was that he was looking into 2698 02:10:36,740 --> 02:10:33,690 the strange craft flying over or in and 2699 02:10:40,149 --> 02:10:36,750 around the Kirtland area and so what 2700 02:10:44,500 --> 02:10:40,159 happened was he was suddenly flooded 2701 02:10:47,390 --> 02:10:44,510 with all these stories and accounts and 2702 02:10:50,510 --> 02:10:47,400 whistleblower tales and even documents 2703 02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:50,520 which suggested that the banner which 2704 02:10:56,060 --> 02:10:52,650 attorneys attention away from Kirtland 2705 02:10:58,340 --> 02:10:56,070 and far closer to Dulce where apparently 2706 02:11:00,220 --> 02:10:58,350 he was told he would get the answers 2707 02:11:01,970 --> 02:11:00,230 that he was looking for and 2708 02:11:05,060 --> 02:11:01,980 whistleblowers in the military 2709 02:11:08,810 --> 02:11:05,070 intelligence community swamped Benowitz 2710 02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:08,820 with these tales of as you said these 2711 02:11:13,220 --> 02:11:10,890 sort of underground installations where 2712 02:11:15,890 --> 02:11:13,230 supposedly there were hostile and 2713 02:11:18,050 --> 02:11:15,900 dangerous extraterrestrials that were 2714 02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:18,060 kidnapping people by the hundreds and 2715 02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:20,370 thousands and there were multiple layers 2716 02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:23,520 in this underground facility and people 2717 02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:25,890 were being held there and terrible 2718 02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:28,010 experiments are being done on them and 2719 02:11:32,540 --> 02:11:30,719 he got actually got too much for better 2720 02:11:34,610 --> 02:11:32,550 which after a couple of years of all 2721 02:11:36,709 --> 02:11:34,620 this and these clandestine meetings and 2722 02:11:40,189 --> 02:11:36,719 these nightmarish tales he pretty much 2723 02:11:42,620 --> 02:11:40,199 had a complete breakdown and had to go 2724 02:11:45,950 --> 02:11:42,630 into a facility for a while to to 2725 02:11:47,689 --> 02:11:45,960 recover and he really did not go back to 2726 02:11:51,770 --> 02:11:47,699 ufology after that he just stayed away 2727 02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:51,780 from it but other people have looked 2728 02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:53,520 into the Dulce story as well and 2729 02:11:58,939 --> 02:11:56,850 certainly the FBI's files on cattle 2730 02:12:03,580 --> 02:11:58,949 mutilations which are also on the vault 2731 02:12:06,439 --> 02:12:03,590 website they talk extensively about 2732 02:12:08,300 --> 02:12:06,449 mutilations in Dulce in the FBI's own 2733 02:12:11,709 --> 02:12:08,310 files so you know that that's an 2734 02:12:15,169 --> 02:12:11,719 intriguing angle to it but certainly 2735 02:12:16,970 --> 02:12:15,179 round that period Benowitz was 2736 02:12:20,439 --> 02:12:16,980 definitely getting a lot of really sort 2737 02:12:23,060 --> 02:12:20,449 of nightmarish abduction type tales 2738 02:12:26,380 --> 02:12:23,070 directly from his whistleblower sources 2739 02:12:31,370 --> 02:12:26,390 what about okay so when we talk about 2740 02:12:34,070 --> 02:12:31,380 Dulce and not a you know Schneider and 2741 02:12:35,990 --> 02:12:34,080 and bennewitz and the underground 2742 02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:36,000 facilities there what about the Inner 2743 02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:39,250 Earth in general there's a lot of talk 2744 02:12:46,590 --> 02:12:43,330 being on a craft in a room medical table 2745 02:12:49,620 --> 02:12:46,600 examinations weird weird medical tools 2746 02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:49,630 and things hanging from the ceiling same 2747 02:12:55,860 --> 02:12:53,770 things but underground and you know and 2748 02:12:58,290 --> 02:12:55,870 just like when I mentioned to you 2749 02:13:00,840 --> 02:12:58,300 earlier about when you brought up maybe 2750 02:13:03,180 --> 02:13:00,850 the alien bases are on the moon and you 2751 02:13:05,250 --> 02:13:03,190 know or here on my but they're not 2752 02:13:08,700 --> 02:13:05,260 coming from somewhere else in the galaxy 2753 02:13:11,340 --> 02:13:08,710 right but some of these objections might 2754 02:13:14,370 --> 02:13:11,350 just be from somebody from the Inner 2755 02:13:16,290 --> 02:13:14,380 Earth yeah well you know I'm not a big 2756 02:13:19,340 --> 02:13:16,300 fan at all of you know the Hollow Earth 2757 02:13:21,710 --> 02:13:19,350 angle but you know the idea of 2758 02:13:25,500 --> 02:13:21,720 underground facilities and installations 2759 02:13:27,780 --> 02:13:25,510 there's no reason to you know to be in 2760 02:13:31,950 --> 02:13:27,790 any way sort of skeptical of that I mean 2761 02:13:33,540 --> 02:13:31,960 for example the Russians we know one in 2762 02:13:36,020 --> 02:13:33,550 the Ural Mountains that they've 2763 02:13:39,300 --> 02:13:36,030 developed like a vast underground 2764 02:13:41,460 --> 02:13:39,310 installation which is sort of built into 2765 02:13:44,330 --> 02:13:41,470 one of the Ural Mountains you know and 2766 02:13:46,770 --> 02:13:44,340 in the event of a nuclear war 2767 02:13:48,530 --> 02:13:46,780 potentially you know the US intelligence 2768 02:13:51,690 --> 02:13:48,540 suggests that you know it could house 2769 02:13:54,210 --> 02:13:51,700 thousands of people you know for however 2770 02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:54,220 many years was needed you know it's kind 2771 02:13:59,310 --> 02:13:56,890 of like in the United States you know 2772 02:14:03,780 --> 02:13:59,320 we've got the old north the old NORAD 2773 02:14:06,780 --> 02:14:03,790 facility lots of rumors about facilities 2774 02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:06,790 out of area 51 sort of literally sort of 2775 02:14:10,860 --> 02:14:07,810 hollowed out 2776 02:14:13,530 --> 02:14:10,870 mountains and hills you know where the 2777 02:14:15,330 --> 02:14:13,540 real work goes ahead so spy satellites 2778 02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:15,340 flying up above will not really see 2779 02:14:20,100 --> 02:14:17,530 anything because most of the stuff is 2780 02:14:24,570 --> 02:14:20,110 underground so in other words you know 2781 02:14:26,940 --> 02:14:24,580 there's no reason whatsoever to to 2782 02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:26,950 believe that there should not be or that 2783 02:14:31,470 --> 02:14:28,450 it's out of the question that there 2784 02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:31,480 could be underground alien facilities 2785 02:14:36,330 --> 02:14:33,370 because we're building things like that 2786 02:14:38,190 --> 02:14:36,340 rather ironically my dad worked as a 2787 02:14:42,660 --> 02:14:38,200 carpenter for most of his life and he 2788 02:14:47,100 --> 02:14:42,670 actually worked on one particular place 2789 02:14:50,220 --> 02:14:47,110 which was actually a swimming pool at 2790 02:14:53,100 --> 02:14:50,230 like a fitness center but underneath it 2791 02:14:56,100 --> 02:14:53,110 there were you could go down like four 2792 02:14:58,740 --> 02:14:56,110 steps and it was actually a room that 2793 02:15:00,780 --> 02:14:58,750 was designated for like the local 2794 02:15:03,870 --> 02:15:00,790 government in the event of a nuclear 2795 02:15:05,879 --> 02:15:03,880 attack now if you know as a direct 2796 02:15:08,580 --> 02:15:05,889 strike everybody being wiped out anyway 2797 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:08,590 but you know they did actually build 2798 02:15:13,439 --> 02:15:10,330 this sort of bunker type thing 2799 02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:13,449 underneath the fitness center swimming 2800 02:15:20,580 --> 02:15:15,250 pool as bizarre as it sounds my dad 2801 02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:20,590 actually helped to build it and and so 2802 02:15:26,189 --> 02:15:23,440 you know the idea of some sort of 2803 02:15:28,410 --> 02:15:26,199 facility under Dulce isn't out of the 2804 02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:28,420 question now there's an even weirder 2805 02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:30,880 story about this as well back in the 2806 02:15:38,040 --> 02:15:35,170 nineteen 1960s specifically 1967 the 2807 02:15:41,250 --> 02:15:38,050 Department of Energy actually detonated 2808 02:15:43,260 --> 02:15:41,260 an atomic weapon below Dulce that's the 2809 02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:43,270 true story and it was called Project 2810 02:15:48,510 --> 02:15:46,090 gasps bogey and the official story is 2811 02:15:51,240 --> 02:15:48,520 that they detonated this small atomic 2812 02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:51,250 device to try and determine how much 2813 02:15:58,050 --> 02:15:54,850 natural gas was down there and how you 2814 02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:58,060 know it could be sort of harvested and 2815 02:16:03,629 --> 02:16:01,360 used you know as energy but on the other 2816 02:16:06,629 --> 02:16:03,639 side of the coin you have the suspicion 2817 02:16:09,780 --> 02:16:06,639 or the belief system that the atomic 2818 02:16:13,470 --> 02:16:09,790 weapon was actually really detonated to 2819 02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:13,480 try and destroy the alien base now it's 2820 02:16:18,959 --> 02:16:15,040 a fact that if you go to the nearby 2821 02:16:20,729 --> 02:16:18,969 nearby forest in Dulce where the 2822 02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:20,739 detonation went off there are actually 2823 02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:22,810 signs there that warn you to this day 2824 02:16:28,830 --> 02:16:26,650 that it's illegal in relation to the US 2825 02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:28,840 government it's illegal to actually dig 2826 02:16:33,150 --> 02:16:31,210 underground in that area which is even 2827 02:16:35,310 --> 02:16:33,160 more bizarre and none of that is hearsay 2828 02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:35,320 that's all fact about the atomic bomb 2829 02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:37,840 being exploded right just three miles 2830 02:16:43,889 --> 02:16:41,530 from where they the base is supposed to 2831 02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:43,899 exist so you know you've got those weird 2832 02:16:48,900 --> 02:16:46,479 aspects to it as well why there's a lot 2833 02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:48,910 of people that live right there they you 2834 02:16:57,209 --> 02:16:52,090 know it's remote but there are there are 2835 02:17:00,419 --> 02:16:57,219 towns and indigenous cultures that live 2836 02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:00,429 right there yeah you're right I mean I 2837 02:17:04,919 --> 02:17:02,410 should stress this was a small atomic 2838 02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:04,929 device and it was and it was detonated 2839 02:17:07,919 --> 02:17:06,010 like a couple of thousand feet 2840 02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:07,929 underground 2841 02:17:12,030 --> 02:17:10,210 as a means to sort of you know figure 2842 02:17:14,190 --> 02:17:12,040 out how much natural gas there might be 2843 02:17:16,410 --> 02:17:14,200 and they're trying to open up areas you 2844 02:17:19,470 --> 02:17:16,420 know and figure out what they could do 2845 02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:19,480 but I mean that may well have been the 2846 02:17:24,419 --> 02:17:21,969 official story and it may be exactly 2847 02:17:26,459 --> 02:17:24,429 what happened but when you look at it 2848 02:17:28,290 --> 02:17:26,469 from the perspective of the UFO angle 2849 02:17:30,540 --> 02:17:28,300 you know it's just a couple of miles 2850 02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:30,550 somewhere supposedly there was an 2851 02:17:33,780 --> 02:17:32,410 underground alien base which was out of 2852 02:17:36,810 --> 02:17:33,790 control and the government was 2853 02:17:38,100 --> 02:17:36,820 frightened to send people in English 2854 02:17:40,049 --> 02:17:38,110 sense they know that they're not going 2855 02:17:42,690 --> 02:17:40,059 to come back you know as it was if 2856 02:17:44,250 --> 02:17:42,700 they'd gone rogue and it was off he was 2857 02:17:47,009 --> 02:17:44,260 out of ground Steve - even the 2858 02:17:50,220 --> 02:17:47,019 government so a panic government tried 2859 02:17:52,259 --> 02:17:50,230 to Newcomb you know and you could 2860 02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:52,269 actually a strange it might sound you 2861 02:17:55,640 --> 02:17:54,010 can actually make a case if that's 2862 02:17:57,720 --> 02:17:55,650 that's what happens you know 2863 02:18:01,860 --> 02:17:57,730 unbelievable now I had heard stories 2864 02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:01,870 about that and that there that possibly 2865 02:18:06,720 --> 02:18:05,050 had to do with some of the cattle 2866 02:18:08,430 --> 02:18:06,730 mutilations none of the things because 2867 02:18:11,459 --> 02:18:08,440 of the testing of the radiation they had 2868 02:18:13,799 --> 02:18:11,469 to gonna and and and cut the cattle 2869 02:18:16,410 --> 02:18:13,809 apart to check for radiation and its 2870 02:18:18,180 --> 02:18:16,420 effects on the inside of the animals but 2871 02:18:22,799 --> 02:18:18,190 I didn't I always thought that that was 2872 02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:22,809 urban legend no I mean again if you go 2873 02:18:29,220 --> 02:18:26,889 to the FBI's website the vault volkov go 2874 02:18:31,379 --> 02:18:29,230 to the unexplained phenomenon section 2875 02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,389 click on that and then click on animal 2876 02:18:37,379 --> 02:18:33,519 mutilation and you'll see the FBI is 2877 02:18:41,430 --> 02:18:37,389 entire cattle mutilations file which is 2878 02:18:46,320 --> 02:18:41,440 about 150 pages of which about 25 are 2879 02:18:48,450 --> 02:18:46,330 all files on on cattle mutilations and 2880 02:18:51,810 --> 02:18:48,460 black helicopters all around Dulce and 2881 02:18:54,419 --> 02:18:51,820 these are FBI files and New Mexico State 2882 02:18:57,660 --> 02:18:54,429 Police files which i reproduce some of 2883 02:19:00,750 --> 02:18:57,670 them in the book in terms of the content 2884 02:19:02,610 --> 02:19:00,760 and text and when you read them it reads 2885 02:19:06,150 --> 02:19:02,620 like sci-fi because they're talking 2886 02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:06,160 about finding tripod landing marks in 2887 02:19:12,690 --> 02:19:08,800 and around Dulce which with elevated 2888 02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:12,700 radiation readings cattle wither organs 2889 02:19:17,759 --> 02:19:15,370 mo removed and significant amounts of 2890 02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:17,769 blood drained from the animals and these 2891 02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:20,880 are the FBI's official records on Dulce 2892 02:19:28,339 --> 02:19:23,610 yeah I'm looking at it right here I love 2893 02:19:31,129 --> 02:19:28,349 the vault they are really good about 2894 02:19:33,860 --> 02:19:31,139 releasing their files and making them 2895 02:19:35,959 --> 02:19:33,870 easy to you know obtain and you know 2896 02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:35,969 totally freeze and download them all in 2897 02:19:39,709 --> 02:19:38,010 PDF format you know they've done a 2898 02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:39,719 really good job with it well they did 2899 02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:41,610 they did and when it when the first 2900 02:19:47,389 --> 02:19:44,160 kicked I spent I mean - my eyes were 2901 02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:47,399 just red you know I spent so much time 2902 02:19:54,620 --> 02:19:50,250 here and and and I'm back at the site 2903 02:19:56,840 --> 02:19:54,630 now thanks for that Nick let's uh what 2904 02:20:01,010 --> 02:19:56,850 are you doing Jimmy I'm I'm on the vault 2905 02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:01,020 just just leave me alone you you spend a 2906 02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:06,080 lot of time on whitley strieber and I 2907 02:20:13,310 --> 02:20:09,600 can't help but I want your reaction to 2908 02:20:15,889 --> 02:20:13,320 this Whitley coming forward and and 2909 02:20:19,820 --> 02:20:15,899 writing that book that changed a lot for 2910 02:20:22,750 --> 02:20:19,830 all of us myself included but I I often 2911 02:20:25,820 --> 02:20:22,760 felt compassion for all of the other 2912 02:20:27,710 --> 02:20:25,830 abductees out there that refused to come 2913 02:20:29,090 --> 02:20:27,720 forward after the teasing and the 2914 02:20:32,270 --> 02:20:29,100 ridicule and some of the things that 2915 02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:32,280 happened to Whitley after that and and 2916 02:20:38,750 --> 02:20:34,410 he was very courageous and in writing 2917 02:20:40,370 --> 02:20:38,760 what he did but and you spent some time 2918 02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:40,380 on the do you think that that prevented 2919 02:20:46,280 --> 02:20:44,250 a lot of uh kidnapping victims if you 2920 02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:46,290 will from coming forward because of what 2921 02:20:50,660 --> 02:20:48,479 happened to Whitley the spying that 2922 02:20:54,530 --> 02:20:50,670 happened to him that the teasing the 2923 02:20:56,060 --> 02:20:54,540 public shaming that he went through well 2924 02:20:57,880 --> 02:20:56,070 yeah I mean for me 2925 02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:57,890 communion he's probably the most 2926 02:21:03,139 --> 02:21:00,720 important alien-abduction book and the 2927 02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:03,149 reason why I say that is because you 2928 02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:05,490 know dozens of abduction stories have 2929 02:21:10,250 --> 02:21:08,399 been you know put into books etc for 20 2930 02:21:13,639 --> 02:21:10,260 years before that you know going back to 2931 02:21:16,340 --> 02:21:13,649 the 60s with the interrupted journey but 2932 02:21:19,310 --> 02:21:16,350 you know streamer was a really good 2933 02:21:22,969 --> 02:21:19,320 writer and he had a very personal story 2934 02:21:25,310 --> 02:21:22,979 to tell and also his book wasn't just 2935 02:21:27,620 --> 02:21:25,320 sort of focused on scientists from other 2936 02:21:30,350 --> 02:21:27,630 worlds taking our DNA there was sort of 2937 02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:30,360 a lot of almost mystical material in 2938 02:21:34,730 --> 02:21:31,920 there as well you know 2939 02:21:38,330 --> 02:21:34,740 and we took it in to some very different 2940 02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:38,340 areas where some UFO researchers weren't 2941 02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:39,930 expecting that but I thought you know it 2942 02:21:46,340 --> 02:21:41,930 was a really cool refreshing approach 2943 02:21:48,290 --> 02:21:46,350 but the reason why I mention Whitley in 2944 02:21:50,810 --> 02:21:48,300 the book was because after it was 2945 02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:50,820 published he started to get some really 2946 02:21:56,860 --> 02:21:54,000 weird things happen to him 2947 02:21:59,000 --> 02:21:56,870 for example he wouldn't get these 2948 02:22:00,830 --> 02:21:59,010 hang-up phone calls in the middle of the 2949 02:22:02,510 --> 02:22:00,840 night and he will so they would get 2950 02:22:06,020 --> 02:22:02,520 these calls where there'd be Surratt 2951 02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:06,030 this deranged laughter down the line and 2952 02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:08,250 he was clearly being done to destabilize 2953 02:22:12,410 --> 02:22:11,010 Whitley and his family by by doing this 2954 02:22:14,090 --> 02:22:12,420 in the middle of the night you know and 2955 02:22:17,810 --> 02:22:14,100 sort of jolting them out of a dead sleep 2956 02:22:22,100 --> 02:22:17,820 and what this was Bearman this was sort 2957 02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:22,110 of the early 90s and so Whitley got what 2958 02:22:28,820 --> 02:22:24,930 was back then pretty new he got Paul her 2959 02:22:31,130 --> 02:22:28,830 ID and he was able to track back these 2960 02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:31,140 phone calls from a company called a G & 2961 02:22:36,170 --> 02:22:34,650 G wrote Ron and it turns out that at one 2962 02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:36,180 point well at one point but four 2963 02:22:40,969 --> 02:22:38,610 significant times they actually did work 2964 02:22:44,270 --> 02:22:40,979 for NASA the department's of energy and 2965 02:22:46,429 --> 02:22:44,280 even out at the the nevada test and 2966 02:22:50,750 --> 02:22:46,439 training range which is better known as 2967 02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:50,760 area 51 and on top of that he started to 2968 02:22:55,070 --> 02:22:53,040 find as he said in his own words spoke 2969 02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:55,080 started prowling around my neighborhood 2970 02:23:02,870 --> 02:22:59,040 upstate and somebody flashed an NSA card 2971 02:23:06,290 --> 02:23:02,880 to one of his colleagues and trying to 2972 02:23:09,410 --> 02:23:06,300 find information out on streamer now the 2973 02:23:12,370 --> 02:23:09,420 story gets even weirder because just two 2974 02:23:16,760 --> 02:23:12,380 years after excuse me one year after 2975 02:23:19,160 --> 02:23:16,770 communion came out a journalist named ed 2976 02:23:22,610 --> 02:23:19,170 Conroy wrote a book called reports on 2977 02:23:26,780 --> 02:23:22,620 communion which was Conroy's own study 2978 02:23:28,700 --> 02:23:26,790 of streamers book and his claims so he's 2979 02:23:31,340 --> 02:23:28,710 basically like an impartial journalist 2980 02:23:33,679 --> 02:23:31,350 taking a look of his story it turns out 2981 02:23:36,620 --> 02:23:33,689 that when our dead conroy started to do 2982 02:23:39,230 --> 02:23:36,630 the research into Whitley's book then ed 2983 02:23:43,010 --> 02:23:39,240 started to get weird things happen to 2984 02:23:46,399 --> 02:23:43,020 him like strange messages left on his on 2985 02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:46,409 his iPhone 4 on his phone call 2986 02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:49,439 also getting weird black helicopters 2987 02:23:55,760 --> 02:23:54,000 outside of his window and also all had 2988 02:23:59,059 --> 02:23:55,770 what I guess today we recall like a 2989 02:24:03,170 --> 02:23:59,069 shadow person in his bedroom which was a 2990 02:24:05,389 --> 02:24:03,180 really strange scenario and you know you 2991 02:24:08,179 --> 02:24:05,399 put all those issues together of Whitley 2992 02:24:11,330 --> 02:24:08,189 being watched these sort of strange 2993 02:24:15,380 --> 02:24:11,340 phone calls tracking back to like NASA 2994 02:24:17,870 --> 02:24:15,390 and area 51 people actually breaking 2995 02:24:21,319 --> 02:24:17,880 into his house and somehow overriding 2996 02:24:24,729 --> 02:24:21,329 his burglar alarms then Ed Conroy who 2997 02:24:27,950 --> 02:24:24,739 writes his own impartial study of 2998 02:24:30,769 --> 02:24:27,960 Whitley and his and his experiences he 2999 02:24:33,250 --> 02:24:30,779 then becomes a victim too you put all 3000 02:24:37,219 --> 02:24:33,260 that together and you know you have a 3001 02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:37,229 significant situation in which probably 3002 02:24:43,309 --> 02:24:39,930 the most famous alien abductee of all 3003 02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:43,319 time was put under major surveillance by 3004 02:24:52,279 --> 02:24:46,800 who exactly we don't know but at least a 3005 02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:52,289 couple of agencies this the book for me 3006 02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:54,210 Nick and for everybody that's going to 3007 02:25:00,250 --> 02:24:56,880 be reading this it's disturbing 3008 02:25:04,219 --> 02:25:00,260 it's disturbing on on all levels and 3009 02:25:07,219 --> 02:25:04,229 what do we take away from that I mean is 3010 02:25:09,939 --> 02:25:07,229 there is there a warning is there some 3011 02:25:13,519 --> 02:25:09,949 advice I mean what do we do with this 3012 02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:13,529 well I mean the things that I can say 3013 02:25:18,529 --> 02:25:16,319 for sure having spoken to literally 3014 02:25:21,979 --> 02:25:18,539 dozens of people for the book most of 3015 02:25:24,439 --> 02:25:21,989 who are you know speaking on the level 3016 02:25:26,990 --> 02:25:24,449 you know they're not anonymous people 3017 02:25:28,460 --> 02:25:27,000 and the files are all listed so people 3018 02:25:32,719 --> 02:25:28,470 can read them for themselves and go and 3019 02:25:36,200 --> 02:25:32,729 find them what I found is that at least 3020 02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:36,210 going back to the early 1960s agencies 3021 02:25:41,960 --> 02:25:39,449 at least in the US and the UK were aware 3022 02:25:45,519 --> 02:25:41,970 of the abduction phenomenon back then - 3023 02:25:48,979 --> 02:25:45,529 I would say fairly limited degree 3024 02:25:54,260 --> 02:25:48,989 through the 70s and 80s their knowledge 3025 02:25:56,300 --> 02:25:54,270 obviously clearly grew and it's still 3026 02:25:58,429 --> 02:25:56,310 going on to this day I've got the most 3027 02:26:00,170 --> 02:25:58,439 recent case in the book is just like a 3028 02:26:02,330 --> 02:26:00,180 year 3029 02:26:04,341 --> 02:26:02,340 but what I found is that many of the 3030 02:26:06,740 --> 02:26:04,351 questions they asked back in the sixties 3031 02:26:08,600 --> 02:26:06,750 in the back in the 60s and 70s they're 3032 02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:08,610 still asking the same questions to this 3033 02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:11,490 day the of the abductees you know why do 3034 02:26:14,690 --> 02:26:13,050 you think they're doing this did you 3035 02:26:17,210 --> 02:26:14,700 have any strange dreams what were the 3036 02:26:20,570 --> 02:26:17,220 dreams about so it seems like they've 3037 02:26:24,230 --> 02:26:20,580 got some of the answers but also they're 3038 02:26:26,690 --> 02:26:24,240 still grasping for other answers to the 3039 02:26:28,511 --> 02:26:26,700 phenomenon so I don't think whether it's 3040 02:26:31,310 --> 02:26:28,521 an agency within the government or 3041 02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:31,320 whether it's some sort of black budget 3042 02:26:36,740 --> 02:26:34,650 program that is sort of covertly funded 3043 02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:36,750 and it essentially operates outside of 3044 02:26:42,350 --> 02:26:39,050 governments which i think is more likely 3045 02:26:46,580 --> 02:26:42,360 but even they don't seem to have all the 3046 02:26:48,350 --> 02:26:46,590 answers now admittedly there are you 3047 02:26:50,750 --> 02:26:48,360 know some cases where people feel 3048 02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:50,760 they've had positive experiences from 3049 02:26:54,470 --> 02:26:52,080 abductions you know their lives have 3050 02:26:57,381 --> 02:26:54,480 been changed the cases where people have 3051 02:27:00,860 --> 02:26:57,391 become vegetarian and they felt they're 3052 02:27:02,900 --> 02:27:00,870 on like a pathway to help people those 3053 02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:02,910 kind of cases are quite you know 3054 02:27:08,170 --> 02:27:05,760 positive but as I said earlier you know 3055 02:27:10,930 --> 02:27:08,180 this angle of these strange creatures 3056 02:27:13,430 --> 02:27:10,940 kidnapping us taking our DNA and 3057 02:27:16,220 --> 02:27:13,440 assuring us it's all for your own good 3058 02:27:17,810 --> 02:27:16,230 don't worry about it you know freedom in 3059 02:27:20,180 --> 02:27:17,820 all things heads and purposes you know 3060 02:27:22,670 --> 02:27:20,190 that's what they're saying I'm not 3061 02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:22,680 really sure we should just accept them 3062 02:27:28,250 --> 02:27:26,250 at their word and maybe I think that's 3063 02:27:31,970 --> 02:27:28,260 the way the government looks at it they 3064 02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:31,980 can't prove that there's a danger but 3065 02:27:36,860 --> 02:27:33,840 I've still after all these years 3066 02:27:40,070 --> 02:27:36,870 best still not sure that this is all 3067 02:27:42,740 --> 02:27:40,080 kind of kosher you know well Nick okay 3068 02:27:46,820 --> 02:27:42,750 you're you're in your apartment you're 3069 02:27:49,370 --> 02:27:46,830 on a lonely road it happens right and 3070 02:27:52,100 --> 02:27:49,380 your car dot you pull over boom there's 3071 02:27:54,620 --> 02:27:52,110 ETS at your door and he says look we're 3072 02:27:57,140 --> 02:27:54,630 either gonna take you or you can come 3073 02:27:58,970 --> 02:27:57,150 with us what do you what do you do I 3074 02:28:03,350 --> 02:27:58,980 mean do you go or do you put up a fight 3075 02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:03,360 and then just get kidnapped I'll 3076 02:28:08,490 --> 02:28:04,800 probably blast him with a bit of a 3077 02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:11,250 destroy their eardrums you know but but 3078 02:28:18,330 --> 02:28:15,130 now joking aside well you know that the 3079 02:28:20,760 --> 02:28:18,340 problem is that most people feel as if 3080 02:28:22,740 --> 02:28:20,770 their mind controlled you know when 3081 02:28:25,650 --> 02:28:22,750 they're these experiences that they're 3082 02:28:28,380 --> 02:28:25,660 their self will their self power goes 3083 02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:28,390 away and you know they either go with 3084 02:28:33,450 --> 02:28:30,640 the aliens willingly or it seems like 3085 02:28:35,309 --> 02:28:33,460 willingly or you know it's like they're 3086 02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:35,319 sort of just placed under anaesthetic 3087 02:28:39,290 --> 02:28:36,880 and the next thing they know they're on 3088 02:28:42,900 --> 02:28:39,300 the craft you know there seems to be 3089 02:28:44,940 --> 02:28:42,910 hardly any cases where the witness is 3090 02:28:47,519 --> 02:28:44,950 placed in a position where they have the 3091 02:28:50,370 --> 02:28:47,529 ability to escape or to you know to flee 3092 02:28:53,550 --> 02:28:50,380 the car and head to the woods and you 3093 02:28:57,229 --> 02:28:53,560 know hide out it's almost as if you know 3094 02:28:59,870 --> 02:28:57,239 the mind control or the you know the 3095 02:29:02,280 --> 02:28:59,880 anaesthesia for want of a better term 3096 02:29:04,110 --> 02:29:02,290 Caixin almost immediately and you don't 3097 02:29:07,710 --> 02:29:04,120 even have time to think about getting 3098 02:29:10,679 --> 02:29:07,720 out the area unfortunately the book is 3099 02:29:13,320 --> 02:29:10,689 called top-secret alien abduction files 3100 02:29:16,740 --> 02:29:13,330 what the government doesn't want you to 3101 02:29:19,260 --> 02:29:16,750 know Nick thank you so much now go play 3102 02:29:21,389 --> 02:29:19,270 some misfits get ready for a Doyle this 3103 02:29:22,679 --> 02:29:21,399 Friday and enjoy the rest of your night 3104 02:29:25,559 --> 02:29:22,689 thank you so much Nick 3105 02:29:27,599 --> 02:29:25,569 all right thanks you're the best Nick I 3106 02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:27,609 really appreciate it Nick Redfern and 3107 02:29:32,969 --> 02:29:30,250 his link and links for Nick Redfern for 3108 02:29:35,670 --> 02:29:32,979 T and of course blog spot.com are right 3109 02:29:39,360 --> 02:29:35,680 there at Jimmy Church radio.com and I 3110 02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:39,370 used to say it often I you know I'll say 3111 02:29:44,729 --> 02:29:41,050 it right now when I whenever I need 3112 02:29:45,389 --> 02:29:44,739 material I go to Nick Redfern and you 3113 02:29:47,250 --> 02:29:45,399 should too 3114 02:29:49,620 --> 02:29:47,260 fade to black I'm arrows Jimmy Church 3115 02:29:51,420 --> 02:29:49,630 Thank You Nick I'll be right back I'll 3116 02:29:53,099 --> 02:29:51,430 open up the phone lines let's a cruise 3117 02:29:57,640 --> 02:29:53,109 out this last segment I'll be right back 3118 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02:34:22,010 --> 02:34:17,240 born this way k GRA radio.com this is KJ 3202 02:34:22,020 --> 02:34:33,220 [Music] 3203 02:34:37,780 --> 02:34:35,320 all right welcome back beta-blocker 3204 02:34:44,291 --> 02:34:37,790 meiosis research all right opening up 3205 02:34:51,820 --> 02:34:44,301 the phone lines 3 2 3 8 2 5 5 0 4 5 4 3 3206 02:34:54,940 --> 02:34:51,830 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 or 8 1 8 9 2 1 6 9 to 3207 02:34:57,430 --> 02:34:54,950 9 and I do want to thank Nick Redfern 3208 02:34:59,621 --> 02:34:57,440 for coming in the book is top-secret 3209 02:35:01,180 --> 02:34:59,631 alien abduction files what the 3210 02:35:05,740 --> 02:35:01,190 government doesn't want you to know and 3211 02:35:10,331 --> 02:35:05,750 and I'm not kidding when it comes to the 3212 02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:10,341 alien abduction phenomenon we we hear so 3213 02:35:14,951 --> 02:35:11,570 much about it and there are a lot of 3214 02:35:17,591 --> 02:35:14,961 very famous cases out there and and Nick 3215 02:35:20,081 --> 02:35:17,601 lights a book like this you have to you 3216 02:35:22,480 --> 02:35:20,091 know take notice of it and I learned an 3217 02:35:24,970 --> 02:35:22,490 awful lot from this book it is really 3218 02:35:28,060 --> 02:35:24,980 really good so go and get yours it's 3219 02:35:31,631 --> 02:35:28,070 it's a good read ok Nick Redfern 40 and 3220 02:35:33,640 --> 02:35:31,641 dot blog spot.com is Nick's website in 3221 02:35:36,701 --> 02:35:33,650 the links are over to maturity ok let's 3222 02:35:40,600 --> 02:35:36,711 go to area code 4 0 8 you're up on fade 3223 02:35:42,671 --> 02:35:40,610 to black who's calling hi Jimmy this is 3224 02:35:43,480 --> 02:35:42,681 different Sacramento how are you hey Deb 3225 02:35:45,911 --> 02:35:43,490 how are you 3226 02:35:47,051 --> 02:35:45,921 first up Wow I got through on the line 3227 02:35:49,570 --> 02:35:47,061 oh right on 3228 02:35:51,131 --> 02:35:49,580 I know I tried the other two lines first 3229 02:35:52,980 --> 02:35:51,141 and I couldn't get through so this is my 3230 02:35:55,961 --> 02:35:52,990 last option I just had a quick question 3231 02:35:58,121 --> 02:35:55,971 I would love to get through Nick 3232 02:36:01,301 --> 02:35:58,131 Redferns book I remember my first time 3233 02:36:04,121 --> 02:36:01,311 trying to get through communion and I 3234 02:36:06,791 --> 02:36:04,131 noticed a very interesting and kind of a 3235 02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:06,801 disturbing pattern every time I got the 3236 02:36:12,791 --> 02:36:10,160 information where it was scary or 3237 02:36:15,100 --> 02:36:12,801 disturbing I would start to get real 3238 02:36:17,341 --> 02:36:15,110 drowsy I literally like I was being put 3239 02:36:20,860 --> 02:36:17,351 into a trance and I kept falling asleep 3240 02:36:23,020 --> 02:36:20,870 and yeah and I don't know if that's 3241 02:36:24,371 --> 02:36:23,030 called cognate what is a cognitive 3242 02:36:27,820 --> 02:36:24,381 dissidence or what where your brain 3243 02:36:30,220 --> 02:36:27,830 can't handle it but but when under the 3244 02:36:31,751 --> 02:36:30,230 abduction thing where people are being 3245 02:36:33,970 --> 02:36:31,761 confronted with this and then they have 3246 02:36:35,530 --> 02:36:33,980 like a lapse of timer there you were 3247 02:36:38,621 --> 02:36:35,540 talking about them just you know going 3248 02:36:40,121 --> 02:36:38,631 under a spell or the control being you 3249 02:36:42,520 --> 02:36:40,131 know I wonder if we automatically just 3250 02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:42,530 have that embedded in us and they just 3251 02:36:47,050 --> 02:36:45,290 like flip a switch and kind of you know 3252 02:36:49,510 --> 02:36:47,060 it's easy to take us because our 3253 02:36:51,189 --> 02:36:49,520 can't handle it I don't know but it took 3254 02:36:55,210 --> 02:36:51,199 me forever to get through communion 3255 02:36:58,479 --> 02:36:55,220 because of that you know you remind me 3256 02:37:01,269 --> 02:36:58,489 of and I remember exactly where I was 3257 02:37:04,689 --> 02:37:01,279 when I read communion and it was in 3258 02:37:06,880 --> 02:37:04,699 Pasadena and I literally and I'm not 3259 02:37:11,170 --> 02:37:06,890 making this up I mentioned this before 3260 02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:11,180 on the show I learned how to read with 3261 02:37:18,760 --> 02:37:15,290 one eye because I kept my other eye on 3262 02:37:22,599 --> 02:37:18,770 my bedroom window I I'm not kidding 3263 02:37:28,210 --> 02:37:22,609 I could literally read I was so freaked 3264 02:37:31,899 --> 02:37:28,220 out I mean I got really it was just 3265 02:37:34,300 --> 02:37:31,909 something about the way that the first I 3266 02:37:36,490 --> 02:37:34,310 think everything was occurring in a you 3267 02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:36,500 know like in a cabin or in a bedroom and 3268 02:37:43,479 --> 02:37:39,770 I'm in bed and and and I'm reading this 3269 02:37:45,670 --> 02:37:43,489 and and I'm waiting for I felt like I 3270 02:37:48,490 --> 02:37:45,680 was being watched I felt like it was 3271 02:37:50,410 --> 02:37:48,500 dead I'd literally learned how to read 3272 02:37:51,790 --> 02:37:50,420 with one eye I'm not making that out 3273 02:37:53,859 --> 02:37:51,800 that's a true story 3274 02:37:55,510 --> 02:37:53,869 I believed it because I kept having 3275 02:37:57,550 --> 02:37:55,520 while I was trying to read it - I'd have 3276 02:37:59,229 --> 02:37:57,560 images of them like showing up in my 3277 02:38:01,240 --> 02:37:59,239 room even though they weren't there my 3278 02:38:03,849 --> 02:38:01,250 mind in my imagination because of the 3279 02:38:06,609 --> 02:38:03,859 way he writes it it's so good that you 3280 02:38:07,870 --> 02:38:06,619 start to imagine like this happening to 3281 02:38:08,559 --> 02:38:07,880 you while you're reading it and it 3282 02:38:11,139 --> 02:38:08,569 freaks you out 3283 02:38:14,590 --> 02:38:11,149 mind it I didn't sleep I don't know how 3284 02:38:17,410 --> 02:38:14,600 you got into drowsy mode I when I went 3285 02:38:19,960 --> 02:38:17,420 through and during that period because 3286 02:38:22,540 --> 02:38:19,970 and he brought up an interrupted journey 3287 02:38:27,099 --> 02:38:22,550 a few times tonight I certainly have on 3288 02:38:30,370 --> 02:38:27,109 this show many times that and Fowler's 3289 02:38:35,410 --> 02:38:30,380 book betty-ann the betty-ann trees and 3290 02:38:38,889 --> 02:38:35,420 that the those two books combined with 3291 02:38:41,469 --> 02:38:38,899 communion I I did not sleep I could not 3292 02:38:43,389 --> 02:38:41,479 stop reading those I would read him I 3293 02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:43,399 remembered this is I'm not kidding I 3294 02:38:47,920 --> 02:38:46,010 would wake up in the morning I mean I 3295 02:38:49,630 --> 02:38:47,930 would get up in the morning and go out 3296 02:38:53,380 --> 02:38:49,640 my roommates would be there and I would 3297 02:38:55,689 --> 02:38:53,390 have to act like I just got up right 3298 02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:55,699 that was the game I was up all night 3299 02:39:00,390 --> 02:38:59,359 reading these books and and would come 3300 02:39:04,320 --> 02:39:00,400 out I would have to 3301 02:39:05,730 --> 02:39:04,330 fake yawn oh you want some coffee and I 3302 02:39:07,980 --> 02:39:05,740 knew that I had to go to work that day 3303 02:39:11,970 --> 02:39:07,990 and I was up all night reading communion 3304 02:39:14,310 --> 02:39:11,980 you know it's the end recent affair did 3305 02:39:16,591 --> 02:39:14,320 the same thing to me and an interrupted 3306 02:39:19,921 --> 02:39:16,601 journey which I read those books over 3307 02:39:21,930 --> 02:39:19,931 and over again but yeah absolutely I was 3308 02:39:24,871 --> 02:39:21,940 the opposite I couldn't sleep I could 3309 02:39:29,791 --> 02:39:24,881 not sleep you're a lot braver than me 3310 02:39:32,041 --> 02:39:29,801 Jimmy it's such a great period of my 3311 02:39:34,350 --> 02:39:32,051 life those books and what I went through 3312 02:39:35,490 --> 02:39:34,360 thank you so much Debbie everything 3313 02:39:38,400 --> 02:39:35,500 great that was a great conversation 3314 02:39:40,261 --> 02:39:38,410 tonight with Nick wasn't it absolutely 3315 02:39:41,371 --> 02:39:40,271 yeah I always see him on ancient aliens 3316 02:39:43,261 --> 02:39:41,381 and I knew he's going to be on and make 3317 02:39:45,331 --> 02:39:43,271 sure to tienen yeah he's fascinating 3318 02:39:47,970 --> 02:39:45,341 there I'll try to get his book there's 3319 02:39:50,220 --> 02:39:47,980 we won't fall asleep try to read it 3320 02:39:52,560 --> 02:39:50,230 there's I think it's supposed to enough 3321 02:39:55,591 --> 02:39:52,570 now where I can handle a lot more now 3322 02:39:59,490 --> 02:39:55,601 somebody should post there is a picture 3323 02:40:01,470 --> 02:39:59,500 out there on the web of Nick and I I'm 3324 02:40:03,841 --> 02:40:01,480 standing behind Nick and we both have 3325 02:40:05,490 --> 02:40:03,851 sunglasses on and we're looking off into 3326 02:40:09,541 --> 02:40:05,500 the distance I don't know who took the 3327 02:40:12,390 --> 02:40:09,551 picture but it's it's really cool Nick 3328 02:40:14,520 --> 02:40:12,400 and I you know because he's all rock and 3329 02:40:16,051 --> 02:40:14,530 roll and I'm looking all businesslike 3330 02:40:18,301 --> 02:40:16,061 but nonetheless we're looking off and 3331 02:40:21,060 --> 02:40:18,311 it's a great picture of the two of us I 3332 02:40:22,860 --> 02:40:21,070 don't know what we're looking at and the 3333 02:40:26,131 --> 02:40:22,870 picture was taken from a distance but 3334 02:40:27,421 --> 02:40:26,141 it's it's a really cool picture of Nick 3335 02:40:29,400 --> 02:40:27,431 and i somebody should post that I 3336 02:40:34,291 --> 02:40:29,410 haven't seen it in years thank you so 3337 02:40:35,190 --> 02:40:34,301 much somebody who post it right now 3338 02:40:37,801 --> 02:40:35,200 we'll see you tomorrow night 3339 02:40:39,091 --> 02:40:37,811 yeah yeah absolutely take care have a 3340 02:40:41,910 --> 02:40:39,101 great night 3341 02:40:43,890 --> 02:40:41,920 yeah somebody posts that picture of Mick 3342 02:40:46,081 --> 02:40:43,900 and I somebody's got that out there I 3343 02:40:47,430 --> 02:40:46,091 don't even think I have it so and I'm 3344 02:40:47,700 --> 02:40:47,440 not going to spend the time to look for 3345 02:40:50,761 --> 02:40:47,710 it 3346 02:40:53,820 --> 02:40:50,771 so all right let's go back to the phone 3347 02:40:56,371 --> 02:40:53,830 switch phone banks here let's go to area 3348 02:41:01,110 --> 02:40:56,381 code 601 you're up next on fader block 3349 02:41:07,801 --> 02:41:01,120 who's calling what up well there that 3350 02:41:11,160 --> 02:41:07,811 call goes and I'm gonna reset that phone 3351 02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:11,170 line it was weird it was there and was 3352 02:41:17,240 --> 02:41:13,050 gone and now I've lost that 3353 02:41:20,900 --> 02:41:17,250 phonebank every man go figure 3354 02:41:21,469 --> 02:41:20,910 yeah somebody posts that picture of Nick 3355 02:41:23,870 --> 02:41:21,479 Redfern 3356 02:41:28,130 --> 02:41:23,880 and I that was a pretty cool I don't 3357 02:41:31,639 --> 02:41:28,140 want to go back there is there the point 3358 02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:31,649 about Nick that I made at the beginning 3359 02:41:37,309 --> 02:41:34,050 of the show and this is this is a very 3360 02:41:40,820 --> 02:41:37,319 serious point that that I was never able 3361 02:41:44,929 --> 02:41:40,830 to shake from Nick which was I'm going 3362 02:41:48,110 --> 02:41:44,939 down the line right and of this panel 3363 02:41:51,080 --> 02:41:48,120 and I remember specifically Nick being 3364 02:41:54,469 --> 02:41:51,090 down on the end he was like the last one 3365 02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:54,479 and after I think Steve Murillo was on 3366 02:41:58,639 --> 02:41:56,160 that panel right and and I'm going 3367 02:42:01,370 --> 02:41:58,649 through and how do you think aliens are 3368 02:42:03,380 --> 02:42:01,380 getting here how do you think et is 3369 02:42:05,210 --> 02:42:03,390 getting here you know and it was the 3370 02:42:08,300 --> 02:42:05,220 same question over you know and and 3371 02:42:11,349 --> 02:42:08,310 after after everybody in Stanton 3372 02:42:17,389 --> 02:42:11,359 Friedman and and Nick comes back with 3373 02:42:19,460 --> 02:42:17,399 and you know and Nick didn't I think he 3374 02:42:23,800 --> 02:42:19,470 said his dad talked to him about this 3375 02:42:26,300 --> 02:42:23,810 but he was a kid and that they're not 3376 02:42:29,330 --> 02:42:26,310 traveling you know at the speed of light 3377 02:42:32,480 --> 02:42:29,340 and folding space and and coming through 3378 02:42:35,540 --> 02:42:32,490 wormholes and portals that they are 3379 02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:35,550 right here and that's how it is 3380 02:42:44,389 --> 02:42:37,850 happening now if you combine that with 3381 02:42:51,410 --> 02:42:44,399 this book with abductions that just 3382 02:42:52,910 --> 02:42:51,420 maybe you know and when we I want to I 3383 02:42:54,740 --> 02:42:52,920 want to make it like this I guess this 3384 02:42:55,280 --> 02:42:54,750 is where I'm going that they are just 3385 02:42:58,540 --> 02:42:55,290 merely 3386 02:43:01,790 --> 02:42:58,550 coming over here and this is 3387 02:43:06,410 --> 02:43:01,800 experimentation when you when you flip 3388 02:43:08,059 --> 02:43:06,420 it around and we here on earth what do 3389 02:43:09,889 --> 02:43:08,069 we do well we go out and you go to the 3390 02:43:12,770 --> 02:43:09,899 woods for the first time ah there it is 3391 02:43:16,160 --> 02:43:12,780 that's it oh yeah there's a William 3392 02:43:18,410 --> 02:43:16,170 Brown downtown William Brown that's the 3393 02:43:21,469 --> 02:43:18,420 photograph I got to retweet this this is 3394 02:43:23,039 --> 02:43:21,479 great and thank you for that I knew 3395 02:43:30,050 --> 02:43:23,049 somebody would find it 3396 02:43:41,219 --> 02:43:37,710 thanks boom done retweet I'm wondering 3397 02:43:42,840 --> 02:43:41,229 what we are talking about here or what 3398 02:43:44,819 --> 02:43:42,850 we're looking at we're all doing the 3399 02:43:49,679 --> 02:43:44,829 same thing man nick is so rock and roll 3400 02:43:51,119 --> 02:43:49,689 I remember this now okay this was I want 3401 02:43:53,340 --> 02:43:51,129 everybody to go and look at this pic 3402 02:43:58,170 --> 02:43:53,350 I'll get to get back to the phones here 3403 02:44:00,269 --> 02:43:58,180 in a second this moment this was that 3404 02:44:02,639 --> 02:44:00,279 contact in the desert okay 3405 02:44:03,599 --> 02:44:02,649 and yet Nick's looking rock and roll I'm 3406 02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:03,609 doing my thing 3407 02:44:12,420 --> 02:44:06,399 but William Brown I'm gonna refresh 3408 02:44:20,449 --> 02:44:12,430 everybody's memory William Brown did 3409 02:44:29,119 --> 02:44:23,999 what do you call it conversation point 3410 02:44:34,050 --> 02:44:29,129 that he made about physics about 3411 02:44:37,409 --> 02:44:34,060 Lightspeed particles space travel and 3412 02:44:42,050 --> 02:44:37,419 propulsion systems right and he goes off 3413 02:44:44,760 --> 02:44:42,060 on this ten minute beautiful 3414 02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:44,770 presentation and it caught everybody by 3415 02:44:53,189 --> 02:44:49,449 surprise and I am not kidding standing 3416 02:44:55,859 --> 02:44:53,199 ovations and if you were there if you 3417 02:44:57,719 --> 02:44:55,869 were there that moment for William Brown 3418 02:44:59,489 --> 02:44:57,729 if you were there you know exactly what 3419 02:45:03,090 --> 02:44:59,499 I'm talking about there was two thousand 3420 02:45:06,479 --> 02:45:03,100 people there two thousand and I went 3421 02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:06,489 over and the applause took off and I 3422 02:45:15,949 --> 02:45:08,890 went over and stood next to William and 3423 02:45:18,749 --> 02:45:15,959 I bowed that's I forgot all about that 3424 02:45:20,760 --> 02:45:18,759 William Brown that's an amazing cat 3425 02:45:23,399 --> 02:45:20,770 right there thank you for this all right 3426 02:45:27,210 --> 02:45:23,409 that's cool too in a region how did you 3427 02:45:28,619 --> 02:45:27,220 do that so fast Reverend Jimmy you've 3428 02:45:32,519 --> 02:45:28,629 got some kind of program that turns 3429 02:45:34,739 --> 02:45:32,529 everything into paintings that's pretty 3430 02:45:36,470 --> 02:45:34,749 cool I like that if you want to check 3431 02:45:39,470 --> 02:45:36,480 out what we're talking about 3432 02:45:41,180 --> 02:45:39,480 it's at J church radio on Twitter 3433 02:45:44,451 --> 02:45:41,190 hashtag f2b 3434 02:45:50,690 --> 02:45:44,461 and you can go and check that out okay 3435 02:45:52,970 --> 02:45:50,700 so anyway oh where was i oh yeah so when 3436 02:45:55,131 --> 02:45:52,980 we go out and we go into the jungles and 3437 02:45:58,060 --> 02:45:55,141 we're in the rainforest or we go to a 3438 02:46:00,860 --> 02:45:58,070 tropical island or the Galapagos or 3439 02:46:03,320 --> 02:46:00,870 you're out in the desert and and you're 3440 02:46:07,551 --> 02:46:03,330 some kind of anthropologist and you're 3441 02:46:10,791 --> 02:46:07,561 going out you're collecting species you 3442 02:46:16,610 --> 02:46:10,801 know you're bagging and tagging and what 3443 02:46:18,291 --> 02:46:16,620 goes on with this is is you know could 3444 02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:18,301 be depending on how you want to look at 3445 02:46:25,610 --> 02:46:21,690 a pretty horrific right and do we 3446 02:46:28,511 --> 02:46:25,620 consider when we go into the Brazilian 3447 02:46:31,640 --> 02:46:28,521 rainforest and we find a previously 3448 02:46:35,600 --> 02:46:31,650 undiscovered species whether it's an 3449 02:46:40,390 --> 02:46:35,610 insect or a mammal or a reptile and and 3450 02:46:44,211 --> 02:46:40,400 we go and we grab it and and we split 3451 02:46:46,610 --> 02:46:44,221 now and go I'm talking about back intact 3452 02:46:48,801 --> 02:46:46,620 take this thing out of its element and 3453 02:46:54,680 --> 02:46:48,811 back to a university in the United 3454 02:46:57,831 --> 02:46:54,690 States that is an alien abduction that's 3455 02:47:03,171 --> 02:46:57,841 exactly what's going on do we consider 3456 02:47:07,900 --> 02:47:03,181 at that moment that this family has been 3457 02:47:10,701 --> 02:47:07,910 broken up right that these the children 3458 02:47:13,161 --> 02:47:10,711 who we've just abducted aren't going to 3459 02:47:15,411 --> 02:47:13,171 see their mom or dad again do we take 3460 02:47:17,961 --> 02:47:15,421 that into consideration that when we 3461 02:47:19,881 --> 02:47:17,971 dissect we've you know we take this back 3462 02:47:22,190 --> 02:47:19,891 to base camp and we throw this thing 3463 02:47:23,841 --> 02:47:22,200 down and boom we're cutting it open and 3464 02:47:27,110 --> 02:47:23,851 we're looking at its organs and we're 3465 02:47:29,810 --> 02:47:27,120 looking at how it photographing it in 3466 02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:29,820 and doing all of these crazy tests maybe 3467 02:47:34,341 --> 02:47:32,160 even while this thing is alive and the 3468 02:47:38,841 --> 02:47:34,351 the medical instruments that are coming 3469 02:47:42,740 --> 02:47:38,851 down do we consider any of that no we 3470 02:47:48,440 --> 02:47:42,750 don't we don't so 3471 02:47:51,370 --> 02:47:48,450 et advanced from us a million years of 3472 02:47:55,450 --> 02:47:51,380 it they're looking at are they look 3473 02:47:57,950 --> 02:47:55,460 intelligent intelligent species right as 3474 02:47:59,990 --> 02:47:57,960 they are approaching earth are they 3475 02:48:01,729 --> 02:48:00,000 listening to our radio transmissions and 3476 02:48:04,040 --> 02:48:01,739 trying to figure out our language maybe 3477 02:48:05,569 --> 02:48:04,050 if they want to come here and and and 3478 02:48:07,880 --> 02:48:05,579 look at us differently they're doing 3479 02:48:11,660 --> 02:48:07,890 that they come here prepared and they've 3480 02:48:14,479 --> 02:48:11,670 been flying across you know light-years 3481 02:48:16,340 --> 02:48:14,489 of distance and time and they are 3482 02:48:18,260 --> 02:48:16,350 they're coming here totally prepared and 3483 02:48:21,229 --> 02:48:18,270 they they want to communicate with us 3484 02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:21,239 sure absolutely that happens but what 3485 02:48:25,519 --> 02:48:23,850 about the other side of it where they're 3486 02:48:27,530 --> 02:48:25,529 not concerned with any of that and 3487 02:48:29,899 --> 02:48:27,540 they're just cruising by and they find a 3488 02:48:33,740 --> 02:48:29,909 planet that's lit up and blue and 3489 02:48:35,559 --> 02:48:33,750 beautiful it's got life let's find out 3490 02:48:38,990 --> 02:48:35,569 what kind of life is here 3491 02:48:45,080 --> 02:48:39,000 they look at us are they looking at us 3492 02:48:47,929 --> 02:48:45,090 as their equal probably not and so the 3493 02:48:50,870 --> 02:48:47,939 abduction happens right they want to see 3494 02:48:54,889 --> 02:48:50,880 what we're made of what our carbon 3495 02:48:57,530 --> 02:48:54,899 makeup is right our internal or it could 3496 02:49:00,469 --> 02:48:57,540 be all of that our eyes how you know 3497 02:49:02,540 --> 02:49:00,479 what's our brain structure you know all 3498 02:49:04,729 --> 02:49:02,550 of this testing that would happen are 3499 02:49:07,550 --> 02:49:04,739 they concerned when they do that 3500 02:49:10,939 --> 02:49:07,560 abduction about your family that's not 3501 02:49:16,429 --> 02:49:10,949 going to see you come home on time with 3502 02:49:21,309 --> 02:49:16,439 dinner no now is it twisted is that a 3503 02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:21,319 sinister way of looking at all of this 3504 02:49:29,240 --> 02:49:25,770 we don't consider that do we we we don't 3505 02:49:32,569 --> 02:49:29,250 do it it's it's a zone that we quite 3506 02:49:37,460 --> 02:49:32,579 frankly don't go into when you're a kid 3507 02:49:41,149 --> 02:49:37,470 and how easy is it for two to have this 3508 02:49:43,700 --> 02:49:41,159 this this outlook on this how easy is it 3509 02:49:46,639 --> 02:49:43,710 to go into the zone when you're a kid 3510 02:49:51,050 --> 02:49:46,649 and you're out you've got your bug jar 3511 02:49:53,149 --> 02:49:51,060 and you're out in a field capturing bees 3512 02:49:58,460 --> 02:49:53,159 and you get a big jar full of bees are 3513 02:50:01,870 --> 02:49:58,470 you concerned do you know no you're not 3514 02:50:04,171 --> 02:50:01,880 butterflies how about a bird right 3515 02:50:06,810 --> 02:50:04,181 coming home with some kind of pet 3516 02:50:09,361 --> 02:50:06,820 you don't consider any of that and it's 3517 02:50:12,211 --> 02:50:09,371 got to be the same thing there's no 3518 02:50:15,511 --> 02:50:12,221 other way to look at it and I don't want 3519 02:50:18,361 --> 02:50:15,521 to get twisted with this or go are too 3520 02:50:21,451 --> 02:50:18,371 far out it's just the only way to look 3521 02:50:24,301 --> 02:50:21,461 at it it is and it's not it's not 3522 02:50:27,301 --> 02:50:24,311 cavalier it's not juvenile it's not 3523 02:50:30,331 --> 02:50:27,311 basic it's just the way that it is and 3524 02:50:33,270 --> 02:50:30,341 any time I think about the et phenomenon 3525 02:50:35,461 --> 02:50:33,280 and and in the way that we are searching 3526 02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:35,471 for life or the way that we are doing 3527 02:50:40,291 --> 02:50:37,690 things or visiting other planets you 3528 02:50:42,001 --> 02:50:40,301 know we're an interplanetary species we 3529 02:50:43,560 --> 02:50:42,011 are we've been to the moon I don't know 3530 02:50:45,961 --> 02:50:43,570 how many times we've been to Mars but 3531 02:50:48,390 --> 02:50:45,971 we've certainly right now you can go 3532 02:50:51,511 --> 02:50:48,400 outside and look at mark look at Mars 3533 02:50:54,331 --> 02:50:51,521 we've got stuff traveling there right 3534 02:50:56,911 --> 02:50:54,341 now and look how far away it is in its 3535 02:50:59,430 --> 02:50:56,921 orbit and we're in our orbit how did we 3536 02:51:03,060 --> 02:50:59,440 figure all of this out that we are able 3537 02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:03,070 to go there right and I'm fascinated 3538 02:51:07,560 --> 02:51:05,200 with that we have stuff on the Martian 3539 02:51:09,541 --> 02:51:07,570 planet right now we've got Rovers right 3540 02:51:14,881 --> 02:51:09,551 now that we know about us the officials 3541 02:51:16,411 --> 02:51:14,891 right now we are interplanetary so what 3542 02:51:18,600 --> 02:51:16,421 are we doing there we're scooping up 3543 02:51:22,140 --> 02:51:18,610 we're grabbing worth it and if we found 3544 02:51:24,690 --> 02:51:22,150 life on Mars right now the official side 3545 02:51:27,690 --> 02:51:24,700 of the life on Mars we're gonna bag and 3546 02:51:30,661 --> 02:51:27,700 tag it look at the scoop it we're gonna 3547 02:51:33,991 --> 02:51:30,671 have little robotic things that are 3548 02:51:35,491 --> 02:51:34,001 spraying fluids on it and and craziness 3549 02:51:38,850 --> 02:51:35,501 because that's what we're doing right 3550 02:51:40,201 --> 02:51:38,860 now so think about that it's go to go to 3551 02:51:42,571 --> 02:51:40,211 the phones I'm sorry to keep everybody 3552 02:51:44,251 --> 02:51:42,581 on hold let's go to area code eight one 3553 02:51:48,810 --> 02:51:44,261 four you're up next on fade to black 3554 02:51:53,071 --> 02:51:48,820 who's calling hello yes you're live oh 3555 02:51:56,331 --> 02:51:53,081 my god it's me Sofia hi Cynthia how are 3556 02:52:00,031 --> 02:51:56,341 you where you calling from Bradford PA 3557 02:52:05,011 --> 02:52:00,041 Bradford Pennsylvania how you doing 3558 02:52:10,341 --> 02:52:05,021 oh okay what's on your mind today 3559 02:52:15,631 --> 02:52:10,351 well I was listening about your jar of 3560 02:52:18,771 --> 02:52:15,641 bees and 3561 02:52:21,631 --> 02:52:18,781 I don't know where does that come from 3562 02:52:23,881 --> 02:52:21,641 there are bees and then you start going 3563 02:52:27,031 --> 02:52:23,891 on and on and on with that I was like a 3564 02:52:29,720 --> 02:52:27,041 jar of bees okay where is he going with 3565 02:52:33,331 --> 02:52:29,730 that so I was kind of confused so 3566 02:52:39,390 --> 02:52:33,341 elaborate well I just did Cynthia but 3567 02:52:41,521 --> 02:52:39,400 I'll do it again when I'm just very 3568 02:52:43,321 --> 02:52:41,531 unclear okay okay well I'm going with 3569 02:52:46,021 --> 02:52:43,331 that well I'll see what I can 3570 02:52:49,890 --> 02:52:46,031 that was good actually you know talking 3571 02:52:52,381 --> 02:52:49,900 about alien abductions and et coming 3572 02:52:54,571 --> 02:52:52,391 here and abducting people right do you 3573 02:52:56,640 --> 02:52:54,581 think they have a consciousness as 3574 02:52:59,100 --> 02:52:56,650 they're doing that are they concerned do 3575 02:53:01,801 --> 02:52:59,110 morals come into play where they're just 3576 02:53:04,921 --> 02:53:01,811 plucking people and doing testing well 3577 02:53:07,501 --> 02:53:04,931 we do the same thing if we're going to 3578 02:53:11,761 --> 02:53:07,511 the Brazilian rainforest and are looking 3579 02:53:14,191 --> 02:53:11,771 for a new species of animal right and we 3580 02:53:16,350 --> 02:53:14,201 just go and grab it and leave are we 3581 02:53:23,091 --> 02:53:16,360 concerned about the family that we just 3582 02:53:27,720 --> 02:53:23,101 broke up right I hear you 3583 02:53:31,981 --> 02:53:27,730 weird how is that weird did you capture 3584 02:53:35,881 --> 02:53:31,991 bees in a jar when you were a kid no you 3585 02:53:38,041 --> 02:53:35,891 never did oh no every day Cynthia never 3586 02:53:40,171 --> 02:53:38,051 never did no never never 3587 02:53:43,501 --> 02:53:40,181 why not I had cockroaches I had 3588 02:53:47,281 --> 02:53:43,511 cockroaches crawling everywhere okay 3589 02:53:50,011 --> 02:53:47,291 different and they live forever so think 3590 02:53:52,350 --> 02:53:50,021 about that so the difference between 3591 02:53:55,771 --> 02:53:52,360 these your bees and cockroaches because 3592 02:53:58,701 --> 02:53:55,781 I travel all over the world cockroaches 3593 02:54:04,021 --> 02:53:58,711 live forever right now think about that 3594 02:54:07,140 --> 02:54:04,031 yeah you can do new nuclear I'm Spanish 3595 02:54:09,631 --> 02:54:07,150 so my accent comes out so you could do 3596 02:54:15,381 --> 02:54:09,641 that nuclear thing that people talk 3597 02:54:19,081 --> 02:54:15,391 about and what survives cockroaches yep 3598 02:54:22,081 --> 02:54:19,091 yep yeah and we could learn a lot from 3599 02:54:24,001 --> 02:54:22,091 that too if you think about it I think I 3600 02:54:28,111 --> 02:54:24,011 just don't they live about a hundred 3601 02:54:28,761 --> 02:54:28,121 years creepy when they crawl on your 3602 02:54:33,051 --> 02:54:28,771 curly 3603 02:54:35,870 --> 02:54:33,061 like I have yeah yeah and I'm a weird 3604 02:54:38,421 --> 02:54:35,880 you know I got to say I've experienced a 3605 02:54:42,320 --> 02:54:38,431 lot in my life I don't know if I've gone 3606 02:54:44,150 --> 02:54:42,330 there but you don't want to go there cuz 3607 02:54:46,850 --> 02:54:44,160 when I was in Panama and I heard about 3608 02:54:49,341 --> 02:54:46,860 you that you lived in Panama right good 3609 02:54:52,520 --> 02:54:49,351 I did I lived there for three years I 3610 02:54:54,801 --> 02:54:52,530 went to Bob Ola not a bow boy high 3611 02:55:00,261 --> 02:54:54,811 school so did I what year were you there 3612 02:55:02,810 --> 02:55:00,271 I was Oh God I'm old I'm 53 or 54 right 3613 02:55:05,211 --> 02:55:02,820 or 55 wait a minute we went to Bal Bal 3614 02:55:10,730 --> 02:55:05,221 high school at the same time are you 3615 02:55:14,091 --> 02:55:10,740 kidding me I was high in Panama Canal my 3616 02:55:17,301 --> 02:55:14,101 father was a banker International Auto 3617 02:55:20,600 --> 02:55:17,311 turn banker and I lived there for three 3618 02:55:23,091 --> 02:55:20,610 years and I went there then I had to go 3619 02:55:26,961 --> 02:55:23,101 to Columbia and then went back to Panama 3620 02:55:29,240 --> 02:55:26,971 in the Canal Zone right so I was there 3621 02:55:33,591 --> 02:55:29,250 for the year remember you would have 3622 02:55:37,461 --> 02:55:33,601 been there 78 78 if you're the same ages 3623 02:55:39,820 --> 02:55:37,471 yeah well so was i I was I went there in 3624 02:55:44,600 --> 02:55:39,830 78 79 80 3625 02:55:47,421 --> 02:55:44,610 yeah and I'm 53 I'll be turning 54 in 3626 02:55:51,711 --> 02:55:47,431 February so yes you were there Wow 3627 02:55:57,410 --> 02:55:51,721 yes that's a--that's a tremé zng Malzone 3628 02:56:01,490 --> 02:55:57,420 and who's your best friend yeah give me 3629 02:56:04,910 --> 02:56:01,500 some names names no yeah I don't think 3630 02:56:08,381 --> 02:56:04,920 so because you're you were military my 3631 02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:08,391 father's side was Bank of America he was 3632 02:56:13,011 --> 02:56:10,800 you know I'm talking about at the high 3633 02:56:15,740 --> 02:56:13,021 school like do you remember I thought I 3634 02:56:19,341 --> 02:56:15,750 forget it I can't remember I was cross 3635 02:56:21,350 --> 02:56:19,351 holding you don't remember my Argentina 3636 02:56:23,780 --> 02:56:21,360 and going back and forth because of my 3637 02:56:27,230 --> 02:56:23,790 father's job you didn't have any friends 3638 02:56:29,270 --> 02:56:27,240 at the school it was very hard to have 3639 02:56:32,810 --> 02:56:29,280 friends when I was growing up yeah very 3640 02:56:34,881 --> 02:56:32,820 hard because I was there for two years 3641 02:56:38,330 --> 02:56:34,891 you make a friend to get in trouble and 3642 02:56:42,501 --> 02:56:38,340 party blah blah and you were going to 3643 02:56:44,350 --> 02:56:42,511 another country hmm okay Yeah right 3644 02:56:47,361 --> 02:56:44,360 there was an auditor for Bank of America 3645 02:56:49,161 --> 02:56:47,371 international good but see this is 3646 02:56:51,821 --> 02:56:49,171 what's weird Cynthia how could you have 3647 02:56:56,361 --> 02:56:51,831 not known me at that high school 3648 02:56:59,451 --> 02:56:56,371 everybody no no I hated the school I 3649 02:57:01,731 --> 02:56:59,461 hated that was a gradual that was a 3650 02:57:04,371 --> 02:57:01,741 grade school or you maybe because I 3651 02:57:06,231 --> 02:57:04,381 didn't have the time to spend the time 3652 02:57:10,451 --> 02:57:06,241 there because I kept on getting pulled 3653 02:57:13,850 --> 02:57:10,461 out the one who dragged what a drag yeah 3654 02:57:16,371 --> 02:57:13,860 I love Balboa high school I loved every 3655 02:57:20,361 --> 02:57:16,381 part about I loved every aspect 3656 02:57:24,651 --> 02:57:20,371 I like the principal was school before 3657 02:57:27,231 --> 02:57:24,661 that before you know one do Quran do yes 3658 02:57:29,421 --> 02:57:27,241 I was there mostly before I was there 3659 02:57:32,180 --> 02:57:29,431 yeah yeah come on do junior high and 3660 02:57:34,970 --> 02:57:32,190 that's what it was I'd had the cafeteria 3661 02:57:41,241 --> 02:57:34,980 that was a geodesic dome you remember 3662 02:57:43,791 --> 02:57:41,251 that yes yes because I think when I went 3663 02:57:47,270 --> 02:57:43,801 to high school Balboa I got pulled out 3664 02:57:50,691 --> 02:57:47,280 twice I didn't make friends there so I 3665 02:57:54,201 --> 02:57:50,701 was back in Columbia and then they threw 3666 02:57:55,401 --> 02:57:54,211 me back for a couple months in Balboa so 3667 02:57:57,801 --> 02:57:55,411 you understand where I'm going with that 3668 02:58:00,651 --> 02:57:57,811 I do and Cynthia you know what they you 3669 02:58:02,961 --> 02:58:00,661 know what the crazy part is it's the end 3670 02:58:05,091 --> 02:58:02,971 of the show I got a run credit and 3671 02:58:08,031 --> 02:58:05,101 you're my last caller thank you so much 3672 02:58:11,981 --> 02:58:08,041 and you know it's kind of crazy you and 3673 02:58:15,201 --> 02:58:11,991 I hung out and and you don't remember 3674 02:58:18,611 --> 02:58:15,211 think about think about that I'll talk 3675 02:58:20,841 --> 02:58:18,621 to you Cynthia alright have a great out 3676 02:58:22,310 --> 02:58:20,851 what to high school with her that's 3677 02:58:25,761 --> 02:58:22,320 pretty trippy that's kind of weird 3678 02:58:27,801 --> 02:58:25,771 junior high - gotta think Nick Redfern 3679 02:58:28,581 --> 02:58:27,811 for coming in tonight what a great 3680 02:58:31,551 --> 02:58:28,591 conversation 3681 02:58:33,081 --> 02:58:31,561 the book is top-secret alien abduction 3682 02:58:36,470 --> 02:58:33,091 files 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